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Re: PaceDateline


On Jul 25, 2004, at 4:45 PM, Dare Obasanjo wrote:

Yes. I'm debating with myself on whether I should
consider this a bug or not.


 From my point of view, in this case, it's clearly a
bug.


What spec backs up this position? Reading the RSS 2.0
description of pubDate it seems to map quite well to
dc:issued. I find it quote illogical to expect that
the date of issuance for a particular entry should
change, so RSS Bandit does not change the original
pubDate of an entry.

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss#hrelementsOfLtitemgt says "Its value is a date, indicating when the item was published". Well, I clearly did something to that entry yesterday which resulted in substantially new content showing up on the web. I had naively thought that "published" was a reasonable word to describe what I did. But if the correct reading is "same as dc:issued" then clearly I'm mis-using it. Uh, let's agree that in Atom, we're going to be a little more explicit so that if someone like me screws up then someone like Dare has a better basis for the pointing of fingers.

I don't knonw
whether I'm an edge case, but what I did certainly
feels like a natural
idiomatic use of the Web.


If it is idiomatic can you point at 5 other entities
amongst the millions that use the WWW that also engage
in this behavior?

It may be the case that I've been mis-using <pubDate>. However, the notion of "Last-Modified" is important enough to have its own HTTP header. In what I would consider normal syndication workflows last-modified is generally seen as important information to have.

Surely you would agree that one of the defining differences between the Web and prior publishing media is that you can update in place.

NNW lets you choose whether to sort on date or
title, I've never sorted
by anything but date, which brings the revised
version to the top. -Tim


The question isn't whether they sort on date but
whether they replace old pubDate values with the new
one or do other things to imply that the post has been
updated.

Both. That is to say, if you change the content of the feed NNW will notice and highlight it even if you don't change the date. But if you change the date, NNW definitely respects that. -Tim