Re: tagline -> subtitle

[Henry Story <henry.story@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 2 Feb 2005, at 18:09, Antone Roundy wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2005, at 09:49  AM, Henry Story wrote:
> > Why not go one step further in generality and call the tagline the 
> > summary? Then we will be closer
> > to the point I had been making in PaceEntriesAllTheWayDown2, and one 
> > step closer to showing that
> > a Feed head is the same structure as an Entry. Or if you go the 
> > Fielding way with the recursive pace,
> > that a Feed is a structure that is a subclass of the Entry structure. 
> > And then we will really cut the
> > length of the spec down to its core.
>
> Because it's not a summary, which shows that a Feed head isn't quite 
> the same thing as an Entry.

You mean you don't see it that way yet ;-)

>  It would be conceivable, though perhaps not advisable (I'd have to 
> think about it), to add a subtitle element to entry, but I can't 
> really see adding a summary element to feed.


On 2 Feb 2005, at 18:09, Sam Ruby wrote:
> I'm ambivalent w.r.t. tagline vs subtitle; but changing the name to 
> summary to impose a structure that isn't there doesn't feel right to 
> me.
>
> "It's just data" is a tagline.  It could conceivably be a subtitle.  
> But it is a summary of what exactly?

Ok. I can agree that a tagline is not a summary.

Adding a summary element to a feed does not seem wrong. Consider James 
Gosling's blog:
<http://today.java.net/jag/>

The following does not seem out of place as a summary of the feed:

""I've been inescapably tagged as "the Java guy". These days I'm the 
CTO of Sun's Developer Products group. This now includes the J2SE 
engineering organization, so I've managed to cycle back. With luck I'll 
update this blog often enough for it to be interesting.""

And if you think that an Entry can be the object of a lot of 
discussion, and so have responses attached
to it, then you can come to see that it would not be so silly to have 
an Entry have a tagline...

Henry Story

> > Henry Story
> >
> > On 2 Feb 2005, at 17:17, Julian Reschke wrote:
> >
> > > Graham wrote:
> > > > Any chance of renaming atom:tagline to atom:subtitle? The two 
> > > > sample feeds posted today have the taglines "ongoing fragmented 
> > > > essay by Tim Bray" and "WebDAV related news". Aren't taglines meant 
> > > > to be funny or catchy or clever?
> > > > The relevant definitions from dictionary.com are:
> > > >  tagline: An often repeated phrase associated with an individual, 
> > > > organization, or commercial product; a slogan.
> > > >  subtitle: A secondary, usually explanatory title, as of a literary 
> > > > work.
> > > > The second seems much broader and more useful, and there's nothing 
> > > > stopping you using a slogan as subtitle.
> > >
> > > +1