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Re: Entries in multiple language



On 28 Sep 2005, at 14:48, Reto Bachmann-Gmür wrote:

[snip lots of interesting stuff, to get to later]

Note that the first two entries share the same value of atom:updated,
this is a SHOULD-Level violation of section 4.1.1. I think the spec
should allow multiple entries with the same timestamp iff they differ by
language and/or content-type. In multilingual countries like Switzerland
it is required (as for laws) or at least a matter of political
correctness (as for press releases) for some publications to be
published at the same time in all language versions.

Why not publish content negotiated atom feeds, so that the French version
of the feed only contains french entries, the German version only German
entries, the Italian one only Italian ones, and the Romansh one only Romansh
entries? Then the user would subscribe to the feed serving the entries in
the language preferred by the author.

Of course since in Switzerland the German, French and Italian representations
of the feed have to appear simultaneously they will each contain entries with
identical ids and identical atom:updated time stamps. This would not contradict
the atom spec which mentions only that in a particular feed document two
entries with the same id should not have the same updated time stamp. It is
something on the other hand that an ontology of atom would have to be careful
about (or a database consuming atom feeds), as it would have to take into
account the possibility of multiple language versions of the same update of
an entry.


Henry Story



The following two entries are in a feed

<entry xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"; xml:lang="de">
<title>Asylgesetzrevision - Aus humanitärer Sicht inakzeptabel! </title>
<link rel="self" type="text/html" hreflang="de"
href="http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision"/>
<link rel="self" type="application/rdf+n3" hreflang="de"
href="http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision"/>
<link rel="self" type="text/html" hreflang="fr"
href="http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision"/>
<link rel="self" type="application/rdf+n3" hreflang="fr"
href="http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision"/>
<link rel="enclosure" length="92678" title="Presserohstoff"
href="http://www.osar.ch/ 2005/09/27/050927_asylgnr_presserohstoff_"/>
<id>http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision</id>
<updated>2005-09-27T11:00-01:00</updated>
<published>2005-09-27T11:00-01:00</published>
<author>
<name>pro</name>
<uri>http://osar.ch/aslum-rights</uri>
<email>protection@xxxxxxx</email>
</author>
<summary type="xhtml"
xml:base="http://www.osar.ch/";>
<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>
Der Nationalrat hat heute praktisch allen Verschärfungsvorschlägen
des Ständerates zum Asylgesetz zugestimmt. Der verfassungswidrige
Nothilfestopp blieb chancenlos. Die SFH ist sehr enttäuscht über den
Ausgang der Beratung. Das neue Gesetz opfert den Schutz von Verfolgten
zugunsten von unverhältnismässiger Missbrauchsbekämpfung. Damit ist das
Referendum unausweichlich.
</div>
</summary>
</entry>

<entry xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"; xml:lang="fr">
<generator uri="http://www.example.com/"; version="1.0">
Example Toolkit
</generator>
<title>Revision de la loi sur l'asile - Inacceptable sur le plan
humain</title>
<link rel="self" type="text/html" hreflang="fr"
href="http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision"/>
<link rel="self" type="application/rdf+n3" hreflang="fr"
href="http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision"/>
<link rel="self" type="text/html" hreflang="de"
href="http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision"/>
<link rel="self" type="application/rdf+n3" hreflang="de"
href="http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision"/>
<!-- Omiting the length attribute as the enclosure is not yet available
in french, a temporary SHOULD-level violation! -->
<link rel="enclosure" title="Documentation"
href="http://www.osar.ch/ 2005/09/27/050927_asylgnr_presserohstoff_"/>
<id>http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision</id>
<updated>2005-09-27T11:00-01:00</updated>
<published>2005-09-27T11:00-01:00</published>
<author>
<name>pro</name>
<uri>http://osar.ch/aslum-rights</uri>
<email>protection@xxxxxxx</email>
</author>
<summary type="xhtml"
xml:base="http://www.osar.ch/";>
<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>
Le Conseil national a approuvé aujourd’hui pratiquement toutes les
aggravations proposées par le Conseil Fédéral dans le cadre de la
révision de la loi sur l’asile. L’exclusion de l’aide de première
nécessité, contraire à la Constitution, a été rejetée. L’OSAR se montre
profondément déçue par l’issue des débats. La nouvelle loi sacrifie la
protection des personnes persécutées sur l’autel d’un combat
disproportionné contre les abus. Le référendum apparaît dès lors
inévitable.
</div>
</summary>
</entry>

One hour later an important error in the french version gets fixed
(s/Conseil Fédéral/Conseil des Etats/)

<entry xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"; xml:lang="fr">
<generator uri="http://www.example.com/"; version="1.0">
Example Toolkit
</generator>
<title>Revision de la loi sur l'asile - Inacceptable sur le plan
humain</title>
<link rel="self" type="text/html" hreflang="fr"
href="http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision"/>
<link rel="self" type="application/rdf+n3" hreflang="fr"
href="http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision"/>
<link rel="self" type="text/html" hreflang="de"
href="http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision"/>
<link rel="self" type="application/rdf+n3" hreflang="de"
href="http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision"/>
<!-- Omiting the length attribute as the enclosure is not yet available
in french, a temporary SHOULD-level violation! -->
<link rel="enclosure" title="Documentation"
href="http://www.osar.ch/ 2005/09/27/050927_asylgnr_presserohstoff_"/>
<id>http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision</id>
<updated>2005-09-27T12:00-01:00</updated>
<published>2005-09-27T11:00-01:00</published>
<author>
<name>pro</name>
<uri>http://osar.ch/aslum-rights</uri>
<email>protection@xxxxxxx</email>
</author>
<summary type="xhtml"
xml:base="http://www.osar.ch/";>
<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>
Le Conseil national a approuvé aujourd’hui pratiquement toutes les
aggravations proposées par le Conseil des Etats dans le cadre de la
révision de la loi sur l’asile. L’exclusion de l’aide de première
nécessité, contraire à la Constitution, a été rejetée. L’OSAR se montre
profondément déçue par l’issue des débats. La nouvelle loi sacrifie la
protection des personnes persécutées sur l’autel d’un combat
disproportionné contre les abus. Le référendum apparaît dès lors
inévitable.
</div>
</summary>
</entry>

One day later the entry becomes some major changes, and is published
again (in the feed), the new version is currently only available in
german

<entry xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"; xml:lang="de">
<generator uri="http://www.example.com/"; version="1.0">
Example Toolkit
</generator>
<title>Asylgesetzrevision - Aus humanitärer Sicht fragwürdig</ title>
<link rel="self" type="text/html" hreflang="de"
href="http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision"/>
<link rel="self" type="application/rdf+n3" hreflang="de"
href="http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision"/>
<link rel="self" type="text/html" hreflang="fr"
href="http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision"/>
<link rel="self" type="application/rdf+n3" hreflang="fr"
href="http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision"/>
<link rel="enclosure" length="92678" title="Presserohstoff"
href="http://www.osar.ch/ 2005/09/27/050927_asylgnr_presserohstoff_"/>
<id>http://www.osar.ch/2005/09/27/pm_asylg-revision</id>
<updated>2005-09-28T11:00-01:00</updated>
<published>2005-09-27T11:00-01:00</published>
<author>
<name>pro</name>
<uri>http://osar.ch/aslum-rights</uri>
<email>protection@xxxxxxx</email>
</author>
<summary type="xhtml"
xml:base="http://www.osar.ch/";>
<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>
Der Nationalrat hat heute praktisch allen Verschärfungsvorschlägen
des Ständerates zum Asylgesetz zugestimmt. Der verfassungswidrige
Nothilfestopp blieb chancenlos. Die SFH ist sehr enttäuscht über den
Ausgang der Beratung. Das neue Gesetz opfert den Schutz von Verfolgten
zugunsten von unverhältnismässiger Missbrauchsbekämpfung.
</div>
</summary>
</entry>





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