Re: [idn] [Last Call] Working Group Charter

[Patrik Fältström <paf@xxxxxxxx>]

--On torsdag 25 november 1999 22.12 -0500 Marc Blanchet
<Marc.Blanchet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> At 19:52 99-11-25 -0500, Rob Austein wrote:
> 
>> 2) My recollection is that the BOF concluded that idns.org should NOT
>>    host the mailing list for this WG.
> 
> nope. The comment from Patrick and others was to not use idns in the list 
> name. idn-ietf is neutral (it was my suggestion as co-chair). There was
> no  comments (that I've heard of) regarding the hosting.

idn-ietf@xxxxxxxx

People pointed out that the string idns.org was still used in the domain
part of the name. This was at the very end of the meeting, so I am not
surprised that different people have different views on how the discussion
ended.

I just want to point out that the name of the mailing list is clearly still
bound to IDNS, due to the domain part of the name. I leave it to this
mailing list itself to decide if it has to be moved. I hear one voice that
would like to move the list.

>>  While I am not suggesting that
>>    anyone has or intends to behave in any way improperly, I think that
>>    it would be in everyone's best interest to find a neutral party to
>>    host the list.
> 
> I'm really surprised about this comment. What is the problem about
> hosting  a mailing list? Why are we slipping the discussion on where to
> host a  mailing list.  I don't follow you.

The question is whether the working group can be seen as "neutral"
regarding internationalization of domainnames. I.e. a number of proposals
(including iDNS) is on the table. What actions do we have to take to see
that noone can complain that what is happening is only "rubberstamping" of
something done outside of the IETF? I.e. how do we see that we end up with
a solution which has the support from the whole IETF? If the mailing list
is hosted at idns.org, and the final solution will be exactly what
idns.org-people have suggested, what should people belive about the process?

I.e. as a member of a wg, and especially as WG/BOF chair or document
editor, you have to always listen to the people which point out things like
"unfair" treatment, "biased descisions" etc. It doesn't matter what _you_
think, it is what other people think which matters.

So, what I always tell wg/bof chairs, "be careful, and listen to people".

    Patrik