Re: Fw: requested tweak to 2822upd grammar - consensus call

[Tony Hansen <tony@xxxxxxx>]

Pete, the original request to add msg-id-kernel came from Alexey. When I
asked for a consensus call, Alexey's message was this:

Alexey Melnikov wrote:
> > I realize that this might be too late now, but I've suggested this
> > before and got no response. And I hope this is not controversial for
> > AUTH48:
> >
> > Can we please redefine the msg-id in section 3.6.4:
> >
> > msg-id          =   [CFWS] "<" id-left "@" id-right ">" [CFWS]
> >
> > to be:
> >
> > msg-id          =   [CFWS] "<" msg-id-core ">" [CFWS]
> > msg-id-core     =   id-left "@" id-right
> >
> > This way other documents can reference the thing inside <> more
> > easily.

The outcome from the consensus call was that 1) it should only be done
if it did not perturb AUTH48, and 2) if it's done, its name should be
msg-id-kernel instead of msg-id-core. At the time, you indicated a
willingness to do it as part of AUTH48.

If you're now uneasy about doing it, that's fine: don't do it. **It's
not worth slowing things down at this point.**

	Tony

Pete Resnick wrote:
> 
> On 9/26/08 at 9:55 AM -0400, Tony Hansen wrote:
> 
>> From what I understand, the definitions of id-left and id-right that
>> msg-id-core refers to are slightly different between usefor and 5322
>> (nee 2822upd).
> 
> That's true, but I don't see what difference that makes. The usefor
> document can redefine whatever it likes (including id-left and
> id-right). There's no harm if 5322 defines:
> 
> msg-id-core = id-left "@" id-right
> 
> Please someone, explain the objection to using msg-id-core. Otherwise, I
> see no reason not to use it.
> 
>> The argument espoused is that adding msg-id-kernel allows that
>> internal portion of the msg-id to be used by people in other
>> documents; as 5322 stands, that's not possible.
> 
> Do we have an example of someone wanting to use this?
> 
> Also, does adding it also mean that we should remove the last sentence
> of 3.6.4? "Semantically, the angle bracket characters are not part of
> the msg-id; the msg-id is what is contained between the two angle
> bracket characters."
> 
> This change is making me increasingly worried. Are we sure we want to do
> this?
> 
> pr