Re: IMAP extensions needed for SPAM/HAM and WHITE/BLACK listing

[Ned Freed <ned.freed@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> >>
> >
> > The place where I'd like to see white and black listing done is in
> > CARDDAV, not
> > IMAP.
> >
> > 				Ned

> so there's only one real question: if it was standardized, would the
> likes of google implement it? How about the client side?

This is actually one of the reasons why CARDDAV is a better choice to piggyback
on.

RIght now proprietary environments like Exchange/Outlook and Lotus Notes
have a significant advantage over standards-based solutions: They provide
a fully integrated mail/calendar/addressbook client experience.

One reason standards-based solutions have a problem with this has been the lack
of open protocols for accessing and manipulating calendar and addressbook
information.

But this is changing. CALDAV addresses the calendar access issue, CARDDAV does
the same for address books. Once all the pieces are in place, and assuming we
get the details right, this will allow standards-based clients and servers all
to interoperate.

Uptake isn't going to be fast because these are complex protocols and
getting the integration right isn't easy. But for once the incentives
appear to be woring for us, not against us.

> because, unless its in gmail AND in the Apple Mail client,
> Thunderbird, Outlook, its not useful.

That may be true now, but at some point given sufficient adoption things flip
around to  where not having support for this stuff makes your client or server
not useful.

I note, however, that now that CALDAV is complete we see Apple, Thunderbird,
and gmail all either supporting it or working on supporting it. It's a little
much to expect Outlook to shift from it's currrent proprietary way of doing
all this, but even Microsoft may eventually have no choice but to support
the emerging standards in this area.

				Ned