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Re: I don't think that collides the way you think it does



Daniel Franke wrote:
> Jon Callas <jon@xxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> 
>> Adi Shamir has pointed out for years now that no one has found *any*  
>> first or second preimage collision for SHA1. I'll shill for him here.
>>
>> The new results for 2^52 work, assuming it's actually doable, are  
>> still for migrating a bitstring into two dependent bitstrings that  
>> collide. This has significance for people who run CAs with sequential  
>> serial numbers, or who want to tweak PDFs to project the future, or  
>> create binary distributions that have and do not have malware. It's  
>> serious *for* *those* *and* *similar* *cases*.
> 
> I think you mean "no one has found any first or second preimage
> *attacks* for SHA-1".  To the best of my knowledge, nobody has found any
> SHA-1 collisions at all, either chosen or otherwise.  The 2^52 result is
> still theoretical, because while 2^52 hash operations is tractable for a
> WFO, it's still a formidable amount of work, and Cameron McDonald is not
> a WFO.

Just to give you some perspective what WFO means at this day and age: my
cryptography lab at the University has just built and tested a DES cracker that
cost us less than €20000 EUR. It iterates through the 56-bit key space in about
one week.

We are considering using it for finding a SHA1 collision using these new
results. But, as noted above, this would be a collision where both pre-images
are carefully chosen by the attacker.

-- 
Daniel

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