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RE: Comments on / suggested changes for RFC3280bis



I think this is an implementation detail.  There are security considerations
in trusting a self-signed cert based on a location in a directory, but it
CAN be implemented securely and be a valid implementation method for
distributing trust information.  Enterprises for example cannot possibly
have every user install every trusted root on every machine as an OOB
process.  


David B. Cross 



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ietf-pkix@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ietf-pkix@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Dave Engberg
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:35 PM
To: David A. Cooper
Cc: ietf-pkix@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Comments on / suggested changes for RFC3280bis

 

Everyone would agree that a self-signed cert in an LDAP or HTTP server
should not be trusted just because it is discoverable.  True trust anchors
(i.e. a name and a public key) should be securely distributed out of band.

However, I think that the almost-universal convention of publishing
self-signed roots into public servers can be very useful for annotation
purposes.  I.e. I'm not stuck holding an intermediate CA cert with no
pointers to let me know where that cert thinks it came from.  Yes, the
published self-signed cert has no value from an automated-trust-RFC-3280
standpoint.  But it can give me more information about a "foreign" PKI
heirarchy.  I personally have used this feature to (manually) sort out some
funky PKIs on more than one occasion, and would not like to see it banned
for the sake of academic purity.



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ietf-pkix@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ietf-pkix@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of David A. Cooper
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:25 PM

...

I would be in favor of stating that self-signed certificates SHOULD NOT be
included in the directory or in the information pointed to by the AIA
extension, but given that this is such common practice, I would need
sufficient evidence of working group consensus before making any changes to
the current text.

...

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