Let me get this straight: some organization says "we're going to use IETF documents in a way that you say not to" and that proves that the IETF PKIX WG is broken? I think you've been hitting the Thanksgiving Sherry a little early... /r$ -- Zolera Systems, Your Key to Online Integrity Securing Web services: XML, SOAP, Dig-sig, Encryption http://www.zolera.com