Re: draft-ietf-pkix-logotypes-06.txt

["Housley, Russ" <rhousley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Denis:

> > > > I agree that jingles are somewhat different than Logos.
>
> > > OK. Since you agree it is different, let us make two documents (and 
> > > hence let us define two extensions), one for visual logos, and another 
> > > one jingles.
> >
> > They are not that different!  Breaking them into separate documents would 
> > defeat the alternate presentation to the blind.
>
> If, as you mention, it is an *alternate* presentation, then since blind 
> people do not need to see logos, there would be no problem to break the 
> specification into two pieces: one for logos, one for jingles.
>
> If, as you do not mention, it is supplementary information, hence not for 
> blind people but for fun, then you breaking it into two pieces would be 
> more difficult, but could still be done.

It is an option.  Dividing it into two documents is not going to change 
anything, except blur the relationship.


> > > For the second one, it would make sense to query some blind people to 
> > > make sure that this would be really useful for them. We should hold on 
> > > the progression of the second document until we have verified this.
> > We have consulted with the people at Microsoft that write the 
> > requirements for the "accessability" aspects of software.  These are the 
> > people that are responsible for making software that can be used by 
> > disabled people.
>
> Nancy questioned:
>
> "Have any blind or otherwise visually-impaired users been consulted on 
> this issue, or weighed-in on the discussion in this forum?  If so, what 
> has their general opinion been?"
>
> People at Microsoft are not *users*, nor are they all blind or otherwise 
> visually-impaired.
>
> Additionally, the specification does not address internationalisations 
> issues, which is not a problem with (visual) logos, but it is with jingles.
>
> The Oxford dictionary provides the following definition for logo:
>
> logo / noun (pl. -os) a printed design or symbol that a company or an 
> organization uses as its special sign.
>
> Logos are only visual. Please deal with jingles separately.
>
> The Oxford dictionary provides the following definition for jingle:
>
> "a short song or tune that is easy to remember and is used in
> advertising on radio or television".

I was not the one who raised jingles.  Consider the IBM logo.  The image 
file would contain the blue bars that make up the letters.  I am sure 
everyone is familiar with this logo.  I would expect the associated audio 
file to include a person's voice speaking "IBM."


I think that we have beat this topic to death....

Russ