Hi Jimi, Actually we have a non-kindergarten problem as well. That there is no agenda unfortunately also describes the state of PKIX and its leadership. PKIX have many items in the workings that have not been properly pitted against other solutions and therefore probably never will get any real support.
One of these things is the PI (permanent identifier) draft, which is unique in the sense that it does not support *any* existing CAs using such schemes. What's even more odd is that the authors and Dr. Kent are proud of that, due to some more or less religious beliefs that the "market" (only in Scandinavia encompassing some 10-15M subscribers) are deliberately violating PKI standards. That these CAs are 100% compliant with RFC3039, Dr. Kent claims depends on that the RFC authors were PAID by the CAs to make this RFC compliant to their "lousy" scheme. But if RFC3039 were incorrect it should never have passed the RFC process. But no one said a word. As at least one of the RFC authors is a top scientist, I rather think that it is Dr. Kent and his tired lot, that are simply obstructing progress for reasons unknown to me.
Anders
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimi Thompson" <jimit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Peter Gutmann" <pgut001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <anders.rundgren@xxxxxxxxx>; <ietf-pkix@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 19:19
Subject: Re: The IETF 56 - PKIX Agenda
Hmmm.....you realize of course that we have a far more interesting phenomenon to study here. It seems that certain of the PKIX member have been suddenly time warped back to kindergarten. We need to do three things - 1) figure out how to get them back, 2) figure out how to make money off this thing (I'm thinking pay-per-view) and 3) here in the States we don't use custard, we use Jello since it's cheaper.
>"Anders Rundgren" <anders.rundgren@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
>
>>In the absence of a published agenda I take the liberty to create one which I
>>think could gather some interest :-)
>
>You forgot the main event:
>
> What needs to be done to make PKI work?
>
> This forum will be open to all PKIX members, and will constitute a large
> pool filled knee-deep with custard [1]. Marquis of Queensberry Rules, but
> with pies substituted for gloves. Participants are expected to provide
> appropriate clothing. Remaining IETF members will look on in amusement or
> dismay, depending on their views on PKI.
>
>Peter.
>
>[1] Adrian Mitchell fans may hold the event in the Royal Albert Hall instead.
-- Thanks,
Ms. Jimi Thompson, CISSP, Rev.
"If the automobile had followed the same development cycle as the computer, a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and explode once a year, killing everyone inside." -- Robert Cringely