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Re: RFC3161(TSP): doubts about tcp protocol




todd glassey wrote:
Look Dr. Kent - the issue here is that you do not invalidate what I am
saying you just attack me personally.  If I am wrong I humbly apologize but
so far this is 100% dead-on by my take. So lets get to debunking your
commentary from the last response -

What are all these  numbers the rest of you folks might ask - Steve already
knows what they are - they are some of the many patents that any of you may
violate by building something out of 3161's technology and these are just
the ones listed on the references section of the eOriginals Patent filed in
2001. And - this is just a partial list - there are more, like mine
(EP808997A)
for instance, so rather than attacking me personally Steve - lets try this
again - how about disproving anything I said??? I don't think you can...

4200770 4405829 4625076 4853961 4893338
4981370 4995082 5005200 5136646 5136647
5163091 5164988 5191613 5214703 5231668
5276737 5315658 5323146 5339361 5363448
5371794 5373561 5377270 5390247 5524073
5534855 5555307 5615268 5699431 5748738
5987429 6023509 6070239

But lets keep this up anyway. As far as receipts based on the RFC3161
protocol, my take there is that the Pitney Bowes patent probably covers that
too, but if you think I am wrong  then maybe PKIX should  get a lawyer, or
better yet a Judge to say that in an opinion. Or maybe in this case the
authors of RFC3161 and their company's should be paying for having a legal
opinion rendered since they and you claim that the use of their technology
does not violate these larger-picture patents - Eh Carlisle - how
about it? Does Sharon have budget for this?

All this discussion appears to be strongly biased towards the US approach to patents.
However, Internet is an international entity and RFC-3161 has a much wider application than just to US companies.
I note that in Europe at least EESSI, ETSI and the Italian government are suggesting or mandating the use of timestamps and RFC-3161 is the de-facto standard in this field.
In general, the US patents are not valid in other countries unless they have been registered *prior* to pubblication (as well shown by the RSA patent in the last 30 years). So we strongly think that RFC-3161 is providing a good service for all these other countries and we leave to US citizens, companies and courts the discussion if the mentioned patents hold or not. For the vast majority of Internet the answer is simply NO!
So please Todd, take this case to courts and leave Internet be free to set up a good technical standard to be used at least in that part of the world outside US.


Cheers,

Antonio Lioy