Re: Legal Notice on RFC3161 Uses and their possible infringement against Glassey/Mcneil Patents(et al).

["todd glassey" <todd.glassey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

read claims 27-29...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Denis Pinkas" <Denis.Pinkas@xxxxxxxx>
To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <ietf-pkix@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: Legal Notice on RFC3161 Uses and their possible infringement
against Glassey/Mcneil Patents(et al).


> Todd,
>
> > Stephen BTW will you or Denis personally write the check here when any
> > Court finds in favor of one of us Patent Holders over someone else' use
> > of 3161?
>
> I have been asking you a technical question, so I am still awaiting from
you
> a technical response (not an unrelated question).
>
> Here is my question again:
>
> "A patent called "Controlling Access to Stored Information" is listed as
EP
> 997-808 (5-mar-2000). It uses time and positioning information in concert
> and alone to provide a keying and a control system for evidentiary use and
> that of access control as well."
>
> I have some difficulties to understand how this patent relates in anyway
> with RFC 3161, since the first claim of it is:
>
>     A method for controlling access to stored information comprising
>     determining an actual geographic position where said stored
>     information is located based on signals received at a receiver
>     supplying reliable position information, comparing said actual
>     geographic position with at least one authorized geographic region,
>     and permitting access to said stored, information if said actual
>     geographic position is within said authorized geographic region.
>
> This is however related to GPS, DVD or CD technology which is out of the
> scope of RFC 3161.
>
>   .. but you are probably going to explain that I missed something ..."
>
> Denis
>
>
> > Todd
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: Stephen Kent <mailto:kent@xxxxxxx>
> >     To: ietf-pkix@xxxxxxx <mailto:ietf-pkix@xxxxxxx>
> >     Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:20 PM
> >     Subject: Re: Legal Notice on RFC3161 Uses and their possible
> >     infringement against Glassey/Mcneil Patents(et al).
> >
> >     Folks,
> >
> >     Attached is the abstract for Todd's latest patent in this area,
> >     which he alluded to in his posting to this list.
> >
> >     Since RFC 3161 makes no mention of using time stamp info for access
> >     control, the likelihood of this RFC infringing seems questionable to
> >     me, but that, of course is not a legal opinion.
> >
> >     If Todd wanted to follow established IETF procedure, as per RFC 2606
> >     he should have sent this message to ietf-ipr@xxxxxxxxx In fact Todd
> >     did post such a message for his previous IPR assertions in this
> >     general area, but maybe he didn't feel that such posting had
> >     sufficient dramatic effect.
> >
> >     Steve
> >     -------
> >
> >
> >     Controlling access to stored information based on geographical
> >     location and  date and time
> >
> >     Abstract
> >     Access to stored information by a user is controlled by comparing an
> >     actual  geographic position and/or an actual date/time with a
> >     geographic region  and/or a date/time interval within which access
> >     to the stored information  is authorized. The actual geographic
> >     position where the stored information  is located, and the actual
> >     date/time can be determined, for example, based  on signals received
> >     at a receiver supplying reliable position and time  information,
> >     such as a GPS receiver. Access to the stored information is
> >     authorized if the actual geographic position and/or date/time falls
> >     within  the authorized geographic region and/or date/time interval.
> >     The position  and date/time information supplied by the receiver may
> >     be  cryptographically signed and encrypted.
> >
>
>