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Re: Additional use cases? (Re: Plan for moving forward)




If we allow the DTLS ClientHello to be part of the SIP INVITE, would there still be a need for a tie-breaker?

Lakshminath

On 6/12/2007 12:02 PM, Dan Wing wrote:
For DTLS, why not allow both sides to send a DTLS ClientHello, and use a
tie-breaker to decide which wins (larger random value wins).

-d


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From: Jonathan Rosenberg [mailto:jdrosen@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:53 AM
To: Hannes Tschofenig
Cc: Francois Audet; Eric Rescorla; Lakshminath Dondeti; Dan Wing; ietf-rtpsec@xxxxxxx; Sam Hartman; Tim Polk; jon.peterson@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Additional use cases? (Re: Plan for moving forward)

One issue, which was raised in mmusic, is that RFC 4145 links together directionality of TLS and directionality of the TCP connection. Here, you are using RFC 4145 JUST to indicate TLS directionality. This causes things to get messed up with ICE; ICE will establish the TCP connections using its own attributes to indicate directionality, and furthermore allows for simultaneous opens. Thus, the direction of TCP connection opening can be independent from the TLS roles.

Its not clear to me we should be reusing the comedia directionality attributes.

-Jonathan R.

Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
Hi Francois,


Francois Audet wrote:

I agree with Eric.

More on the "it doesn't matter who is the caller" stuff:

On the RFC 4474 side, RFC 4474 allows for the sender of the request
to provide the identity assertion. Yes, indeed, this is the calling
party.

There is no "response" identity. However, the callee may
send its own
request in the reverse direction to provide it's own
identity, as per
draft-ietf-sip-connected-identity-05.txt.
In other words, in SIP also there is no implied
"direction" to this,
even if technically, the origin of the protocol used a
client/server
model (as
in,
request/response).

I think we'll have to write up a "high level" description
on how these
pieces
fit together.


http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-fischl-sipping-media-dtls-02.tx
t is meant
to provide how these pieces fit together. Do you think that
there is
something missing that needs to be added?

Ciao
Hannes

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