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Re: DTLS-SRTP harming GETS [was RE: Additional use cases? (Re: Plan for moving forward)]




Someone at the IETF recently said that I don't try enough :) , so I guess I will continue on since you don't understand what I am trying to say.

On 6/12/2007 8:38 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote:
At Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:24:55 -0700,
Lakshminath Dondeti wrote:
On 6/12/2007 7:55 PM, Dan Wing wrote:
That's reasonable. But it is an optimization that saves ~600 bytes
Ah, the luxury! This reminds me of the time when a few of us were given a budget of 40 octets after some serious kicking and screaming :). Different context for sure.

It looks like the 40 octet number was confusing, but I was just giving a real example of a budget I got for each message of a security protocol (unrelated to SRTP or SIP) in a wireless system.


I would be happy to save some bytes during a VoIP call setup too.

I don't know what context you're referring to but there's an enormous
difference between per-packet overhead and one-time overhead. Any
reasonable media plane protocol is going to push >> 600 bytes over
its lifetime.



And as others have stated, it complicates things to optimize this.
You are well aware of the risks in complicating security protocols.
Yes, but we have the expertise too, thankfully.

I'm not convinced we do, actually. The implications of having only
occasional binding of the signalling to the media strike me as quite difficult to analyze--not least the question of how a reasonable implementation would know which one to do.


Anyway, I will sign-off here on this. I am beginning to get the sense that we all understand the use case and its applicability.

Well, I don't, at least if the implication is that you don't need to
authenticate both sides. On the contrary, as I've observed several
times, even where the callee has some in-band authentication
mechanism, it's desirable to cryptographically bind the media to the
signalling.

Where do these requirements that are universally applicable to all scenarios come from? What if the callee (calling card gateway) does not care which phone the calling card user may be using? That is a real scenario!

regards,
Lakshminath


-Ekr