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RE: [TLS] Please discuss: draft-housley-evidence-extns-00
Stefan:
Mark Brown is making a case, using legal argumentation style, for changing the charter, postulating a new "stasis of definition".
Its a refined form of argument we dont use in IETF, mostly cos uz programmas dunno howzit dun, tho it is seen in usenet culture
still. The essay was beautifully crafted. It gives good reasons for changing the way we think. It will fail, tho; given IETF's inbred
war mentality. Rhetoric vs political regimes found on wars-on-X: these never go together in the same argumentation
bed.
If we assume the Zarefsky-ian teaching on handling claims and evidence in uncertain arguments (like the internet! not
cryptography! not! TPM's limited concepts of technical evidence), the work certainly-might be *effectively* handled
in WS-SX forum within OASIS. There, much of the same architecture and mechanisms as SSL considered are being revisited,
without DARPA dogma and DoD legacy issues, and within a revised set of functions for the upper layers of the stack. It would be a
good fit, perhaps only because of IETF's angst over the NR topic - which I got nicely tied in the consciousness to the associated possibility
of it becoming an easy basis for mandatory key escrow (via certs.). Its also "application layer" (where the single app layer
got split into 7 sublayers doing communication protocols, to be true!). Its also not US centric, which is important for the next
generation internet.
The new "socket" is perhaps what the web architect's intended: the URI! (and the strongly-named URI! with secureConversation's
rendition of SSL handshakes).
That new socket can have mandatory spying and recording built in, for all I care. Just, now, grandma will know
it and accept it, socially; she will not be part of a social structure founded on deception. She can then even benefit from
its flip side: NR (or probative internet evidence (PIE), or whichever new moniker becomes established)
Peter.
> From: stefans@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ekr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; tls@xxxxxxxx
> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:00:32 +0000
> Subject: RE: [TLS] Please discuss: draft-housley-evidence-extns-00
> CC:
> Then we can avoid the legal discussion of NR that has already started, which I don't think belong here. Whether this turns out to be used as evidence is completely up to the applications using this technology and should be totally out of scope for this document.
>
>
> Stefan Santesson
> Senior Program Manager
> Windows Security, Standards
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