From: Charles Lindsey (chl@clw.cs.man.ac.uk)
Date: Fri Nov 21 1997 - 05:09:52 CST
In local.usenet Leonid Yegoshin <egoshin@genesyslab.com> wrote:
>>Not so, because MIME-encoded Newsgroup: headers (RFC2047-style) are not
>>permitted by the proposal, so UTF-8 is all you have got. If your
>>
> !??? Where is this proposal ? I read http://www.landfield.com/usefor/
>and found 2 drafts and read boths. I don't see this in it.
>I don't look this in this mailing list from IETF announce date.
>That we discuss as IETF WG ?
SIMON: Please can we have all the current bits of draft put up on the
Landfield web site?
In the meantime, I am mailing a copy of the current Newsgroups draft to
Leonid, although if he has been reading this list he should already have
seen it.
> I don't agree with it. With this requerement news process software
>MUST have UTF-8 understanding, and additional headache. SMTP/MIME allow _any_
>coding in any headers. And news-processing software should convert
>MIME-encoding Newsgroup: to UTF-8 ... Why ?
> But I don't see any arguments for UTF-8-only encoding, yet...
News reading software will need modification if it needs to read
newsgroups using non-ascii character sets. At present, there are no such
newsgroups (not legitimately at least) because RFC1036 does not permit it.
But even without modification, newsgroups in the iso8859-1 charset still
turn up as printable characters even when coded in UTF-8. Don't know
whether that applies to iso8859-cyrillic (whichever that is).
> You are in error here. Long before MIME there was and there is software
>which can send/recieve 8-bit mails/news without MIME-headers,
>for exam in Russia. Defaulting 8-bit body as UTF-8 is error, look at RFC1428.
>The reason for creating this RFC is not occasional.
Yes, a lot of 8bit stuff (usually interpreted as iso8859-1) does get
through at present, but more by accident than by design. The correct way
to legitimise such traffic (as our draft will make clear at some point)
will be to include
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Type: text/plain charset=iso8859-1 (or whatever)
in every message. But that only works for bodies.
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