From: John Stanley (stanley@peak.org)
Date: Mon Feb 25 2002 - 16:01:40 CST
On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Clive D.W. Feather jumps in with:
> John Stanley said:
> > That is the point, Erland. The Sender is not supposed to be used AT ALL if
> > the From header correctly identifies the sender. That's why an injector
> > isn't supposed to be putting one in; it cannot know that the From does not
> > identify the sender.
>
> And if often can't know that it does. Hence my point below.
It doesn't matter if it does know, because we aren't talking about what it
does if it does know, but what it does when it does not know. It does not
know, so it guesses that it should put in a Sender header. Wrong.
> You're not a native speaker of English. I am.
Right. Sure. Whatever.
[all the big fucking deal about whether the language "english" is
capitalized or not, deleted. And Erland flames ME for wandering off
topic.]
> > Clive D.W. Feather (clive@demon.net):
>
> That's me.
That's nice. Did anyone dispute that?
> >> I'd like it to be clear that "entity" doesn't mean "a specific human
> >> being", because that's about the only valid point I've seen John Stanley's
> >> stuff produce.
> > So you'd like it specified that "entity" cannot be a human being just to
> > spite me?
>
> Now just who's putting words into whose mouth ?
You are putting words in your own mouth. You don't seem to understand what
the consequences of those words are, but they come straight from you.
> Because that is not at all what I said.
That is exactly what you said. "Entity" can mean any one of several
things, one of which includes "human being".
2. a thing that has definite, individual
existence outside or within the mind;
A human being has definite, individual existance outside or within the
mind. Thus a human being is an entity. And when most people post to
USENET, they are posting as human beings, not as any other kind of entity.
Yes, some post as "root" or some other role account, but by and large,
they post as themselves. They are not different entities just because
their email address differs. In fact, in some, if not many, cases, there
are a very large number of possible email addresses that not only are the
same human, but wind up in the very same mailbox.
Except you want to make the draft say that entity does not mean human
being. And you want that to happen because of my argument. Why is that?
Why do you want it made clear that humans are not entities?
> Do you need lessons in "reading for comprehension" ?
I'm doing just fine. Do you need lessons on writing what you mean to say?
You are trying to define a standards document. It needs to say literally
what you want it to mean. If it does not, it is a failure.