From: Seth Breidbart (sethb@panix.com)
Date: Tue Feb 26 2002 - 07:20:51 CST
>> > The Sender is not supposed to be used AT ALL if
>> > the From header correctly identifies the sender. That's why an injector
>> > isn't supposed to be putting one in; it cannot know that the From does not
>> > identify the sender.
>>
>> And if often can't know that it does. Hence my point below.
>
> It doesn't matter if it does know, because we aren't talking about
> what it does if it does know, but what it does when it does not
> know. It does not know, so it guesses that it should put in a Sender
> header. Wrong.
I does know which entity identified itself to the injector, in order
to get permission to post. I have several accounts, and I would claim
that they are different entities.
>> >> I'd like it to be clear that "entity" doesn't mean "a specific human
>> >> being", because that's about the only valid point I've seen John Stanley's
>> >> stuff produce.
>> > So you'd like it specified that "entity" cannot be a human being just to
>> > spite me?
>>
>> Now just who's putting words into whose mouth ?
>
> You are putting words in your own mouth. You don't seem to understand what
> the consequences of those words are, but they come straight from you.
>
>> Because that is not at all what I said.
>
> That is exactly what you said. "Entity" can mean any one of several
> things, one of which includes "human being".
The fact that A _can be_ B does not imply that A _means_ B.
"An American" can be "Seth Breidbart" certainly doesn't imply that the
phrase "[a]n American" means "Seth Breidbart".
> Except you want to make the draft say that entity does not mean human
> being. And you want that to happen because of my argument. Why is that?
> Why do you want it made clear that humans are not entities?
Because we're discussing the behavior of software, and even strong AI
is insufficient to deal with "specific human being".
>> Do you need lessons in "reading for comprehension" ?
>
> I'm doing just fine. Do you need lessons on writing what you mean to
> say? You are trying to define a standards document. It needs to say
> literally what you want it to mean.
What we want it to mean is that the *entity* in question is the one
known to the injector.
Seth