From: Bill Davidsen (davidsen@prodigy.com)
Date: Fri Jan 04 2002 - 12:06:45 CST
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Charles Lindsey wrote:
> In <Pine.LNX.3.91.1020102120451.29135E-100000@darkstar.prodigy.com> Bill Davidsen <davidsen@prodigy.com> writes:
>
>
> >On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Charles Lindsey wrote:
> >> Our draft contains neither that MUST nor that SHOULD, so it is left for
> >> posting and injecting agents to do whatever they like. OTOH, Son-of-1036
> >> had a very severe MUST for the case when the From could not be verified.
> >> Does anybody want to change what we currently say?
> >>
> >> >> What now is the injecting agent to do when it sees both a From and a
> >> >> Sender, and is not convinced about either?
> >>
> >> >Traditionally, replace the user-supplied Sender header with its own.
> >>
> >> Yes, Son-of-1036 said you MUST do that.
> >>
> >> I think I would like to change our draft at least to say that an injecting
> >> agent MAY supply a Sender, or overwrite an existing one, since that seems
> >> to be existing practice. Is that agreeable?
>
> >The problem with strong wording is that it is likely to be read as
> >requiring a "real" address when a munged From: is used to prevent address
> >collection. I believe Son-of-1036 was written in less dangerous times.
>
> Well I put that wording in of Dec 20th (and Seth, at least was happy with
> it). But now I am not so sure, and I am minded to take it out again, even
> though that will make Turnpike, and other systems that apply the RFC 2822
> rules strictly, non-compliant (or does Turnpike not count as an
> injector?). But my reason for taking it out is that I think Injector-Info
> is the proper place for injectors to put that sort of stuff (assuming they
> are determined so to do - Brad would rather they didn't).
As I see the problem, users simply don't want to have their address used
for spam. Any standard requiring a "real address" however described is
likely to be widely ignored by any organization which depends on making
customers happy. There are valid reasons for not having a mailable
address on your posting.
Some of us do post with a real address, I'm sure many of us have other
addresses and/or heavy filtering. Most casual users have neither and just
want to be left alone.
-- -bill davidsen (davidsen@prodigy.com) "The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the last possible moment - but no longer" -me