From: John Stanley (stanley@peak.org)
Date: Mon Mar 04 2002 - 14:12:24 CST
Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu):
>Unfortunately, your message was couched
>in an extremely confrontational, aggressive, and derogatory tone.
When you accused me of almost never getting it right when I paraphrase
you, when I did it once and made the horrible mistake of using the word
"bug" instead of "request", (which makes no difference at all in the
discussion) you escalated the tone of the response.
Act as if you are the only one who considers uses other than worldwide
discussion groups for news, you create the tone. Lecture someone about
the "purpose of a standard" and you escalate the tone.
Telling me now that we could "work together" to accomplish something
useful if only I would stop abusing you is creating the tone of this
response. Where was this "working together" when I was trying to discuss
this with you earlier?
When you pull the trigger, don't be surprised when the gun goes "bang!"
>Or maybe you'd be willing
>to assume good will and reasonableness on the part of other members of the
>working group, even if you disagree with them.
I assume good will. I don't see it here. I misparaphrased once, yet I
"almost never" get it right. You used that as an excuse not to deal with a
part of the discussion that involved direct quotes -- so paraphrasing
wan't the real problem after all. Then you use the excuse that a followup
was in a confrontational tone, so THAT'S why you won't discuss the issue
you've already refused to discuss.
>Until then, I'm choosing to bow out of this particular discussion.
Push the hot buttons and then claim the kitchen is to hot for you. But
it's not your fault you pushed the buttons, is it? You participated in
this, so any "abuse" you think you are getting is partly your own fault.
The issue is in the archive. Should you ever choose to discuss it, and
explain why we should base a news standard on the needs of a request
tracking system or mailing gateway, you can. I think I've expressed my
position on that sort of nonsense adequately.