From: Charles Lindsey (chl@clerew.man.ac.uk)
Date: Mon Mar 29 2004 - 08:26:09 CST
In <4065F935.4010807@erols.com> Bruce Lilly <blilly@erols.com> writes:
>>>I note that you have failed to provide even a single example of
>>>significant syntax or semantic redefinition of any RFC 2822 or 822 field
>>>by any of the fax, voice messaging, EDI, or mail RFCs. Or by IMAP.
>>
>>
>> RFC 1036 itself makes significant syntax redefinitions.
>RFC 1036 has no jurisdiction over fax, voice messaging, EDI, or mail.
Who said it had?
>And RFC 1036 explicitly cedes jurisdiction to RFC 822 in areas of
>conflict with that Standard.
RFC 1036 tied itself in a knot by saying different things in different
places. It matters not, because in practice the world has consistently
followed the syntax given in RFC 1036, and that famous disclaimer is dead
in the water. That is the situation we are in today, and that is the mess
that this draft is trying to clear up.
>Usenet has nothing to do with fax, voice messaging, EDI or mail. And
>it is unrelated to the point in question.
Ah! How observant you are! But I am glad that you finally admit that
Usenet has nothing to do with mail.
>> And if you really want a non-news example, then SIP makes significant
>> syntax redefinitions.
>SIP is an abomination, and is outside of the scope of the current
>discussion; even if it was not, you have still failed to provide a
>single example of significant syntax or semantic redefinition of
>any RFC 2822 or 822 field by any of the fax, voice messaging, EDI,
>mail or IMAP RFCs.
Lots of IETF standards are abominations. Sadly, we have to live with them
as best we can :-( .
Naturally, the various other media you refer to do not redefine the syntax
of semantics of RFC 2822 because they are all describing services to be
carried _on_top_of_ mail.
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