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From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Wed Sep 9 20:03:23 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id UAA28474 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.dbsoftware.com ([209.125.119.156]) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA28470 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:03:21 -0700 (PDT) From: jill274@hotmail.com Message-Id: <199809100303.UAA28470@mail.proper.com> Received: from local host [153.37.122.113] by mail.dbsoftware.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ADF83F01C2; Wed, 09 Sep 1998 02:44:24 PDT Subject: The Can Even Steal Your Identity! Date: Wed, 9 Sep 98 20:09:42 PDT Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk ARE YOU BEING INVESTIGATED? Has your personal and credit information been stolen? Has someone assumed your identity? Would you like to locate an old friend, relative, military buddy or sweetheart? Do you want to find a person's assets to collect a debt or judgement? 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From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Thu Oct 1 18:30:02 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id SAA04206 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.halifax.istar.net (lobster.istar.ca [137.186.128.2]) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA04199 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms01-01.ott.istar.ca ([137.186.208.1] helo=fox.nstn.ca) by mail1.halifax.istar.net with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org id 0zOu2a-0006fe-00; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:29:53 -0400 Message-ID: <36142ECB.496BDCA5@fox.nstn.ca> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:39:23 -0400 From: Randal Leavitt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Subject: vCard XML DTD comments Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------BC5E9D2F743B766734412E7E" Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BC5E9D2F743B766734412E7E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have reviewed the vCard RFC dated July 19. I question if it makes sense to have a DTD for a vCard. The DTD is ten times bigger than the vCard, and makes it difficult to move a vCard to different domains. --------------BC5E9D2F743B766734412E7E Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Randal Leavitt Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Randal Leavitt n: Leavitt;Randal email;internet: nstn1291@fox.nstn.ca note: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------BC5E9D2F743B766734412E7E-- From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Thu Oct 1 19:22:22 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id TAA04464 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aum.proper.com (ip200.proper.com [165.227.249.200]) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA04460; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810020222.TAA04460@mail.proper.com> X-Sender: phoffman@mail.imc.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.63 (Beta) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:22:08 -0700 To: Randal Leavitt , ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org From: Paul Hoffman / IMC Subject: Re: vCard XML DTD comments In-Reply-To: <36142ECB.496BDCA5@fox.nstn.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk At 09:39 PM 10/1/98 -0400, Randal Leavitt wrote: >I have reviewed the vCard RFC dated July 19. I question if it makes >sense to have a DTD for a vCard. The DTD is ten times bigger than the >vCard, and makes it difficult to move a vCard to different domains. It is not expected that you will include the DTD with your xCard. In fact, as you point out, it would be kinda silly to do so. Thus, the xCards we expect to see will be well-formed but not valid. As to your second point, I don't understand why having a standard DTD would make it hard to move xCards around. Just the opposite: having a single way to describe people in XML would make such objects very portable! Am I missing something in your comments? --Paul Hoffman, Director --Internet Mail Consortium From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Thu Oct 1 19:40:24 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id TAA04623 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.halifax.istar.net (lobster.istar.ca [137.186.128.2]) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04619 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms01-100.ott.istar.ca ([137.186.208.100] helo=fox.nstn.ca) by mail1.halifax.istar.net with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org id 0zOv8m-0001F9-00; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:40:21 -0400 Message-ID: <36143F4E.C8953DFE@fox.nstn.ca> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:49:51 -0400 From: Randal Leavitt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Subject: vCard XML DTD comments 02 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------DD7C5B70B50BEF9DE833260E" Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DD7C5B70B50BEF9DE833260E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comments about: The vCard v3.0 XML DTD Commentor: Randal Leavitt, email: nstn1291@fox.nstn.ca 1. I am interested in creating French and English vCards. The DTD seems to allow this by specifying the 'encoding' attribute with a value of "UTF-8" for the DTD. However, if we want to have a vCard in Chinese what do we do? Tokens such as "VOICE" and "MSG" will not be vary understandable in China. I think we need a separate DTD for each language. 2. In Section 2 the attribute "lang" is defined. I think it would be better to declare this attribute as "xml:lang" to more closely follow the XML standard. 3. Several attributes, (e.g. del.type, tel.type, email.type), are specified as "NMTOKENS". This makes it more difficult to automate checking for correctness. Many people will use incorrect values for these attributes, and processors will not be able to detect this. Also, the NMTOKENS approach will make it more difficult to search for useful information such as the home telephone number of a person in a list. These attributes should be specified as enumerated lists instead, with values expressed in lower case. This may necessitate more attributes to allow for all the combinations needed. 4. The "lang" attribute is specified for many of the vCard elements. This is not pragmatic. It should only be an attribute of the vCard element itself, and should apply to the whole card. I do not want cards that are half French and half English. I want a French business card and an English business card, and I will give the appropriate one out depending on the context. 5. In the entity "prop.tel" I would include another child element called "web" or "net" and remove the "url" element in "prop.exp". My email and web addresses are the most important. One might even consider an "ftp" element here as well. 6. The attribute "value" is defined in two places (for fn and n), but does not seem to have any use. I think it can be deleted. At the very least it should be defined in one place as an entity and referenced for these elements. 7. The element "n" forces me to give my family name first. I just hate that. Non-computer people think this convention is insane. The specification should allow me to specifiy these in any order. 8. The element "n" will be valid if both the family name and given name are omitted. I think we should insist on at least one of these always being present. 9. The element "sort-string" is not needed. It should be deleted. 10. In the simple vCard example in Section 4.1, the DOCTYPE element also requires a system literal to specify where the DTD can be found. This comment applies to every example. 11. In the simple vCard example in Section 4.1, the vCard element declares a "VERSION" attribute, while the DTD defines this attribute as "version" --------------DD7C5B70B50BEF9DE833260E Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Randal Leavitt Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Randal Leavitt n: Leavitt;Randal email;internet: nstn1291@fox.nstn.ca note: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------DD7C5B70B50BEF9DE833260E-- From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Thu Oct 1 20:55:11 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id UAA06344 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aum.proper.com (ip200.proper.com [165.227.249.200]) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA06336 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810020355.UAA06336@mail.proper.com> X-Sender: phoffman@mail.imc.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.63 (Beta) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:55:04 -0700 To: ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org From: Paul Hoffman / IMC Subject: Re: vCard XML DTD comments 02 In-Reply-To: <36143F4E.C8953DFE@fox.nstn.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk I'll let others who are more serious XML hackers reply to your XML-specific questions. >1. I am interested in creating French and English vCards. The DTD >seems to allow this by specifying the 'encoding' attribute with a value >of "UTF-8" for the DTD. However, if we want to have a vCard in Chinese >what do we do? The same thing: use UTF-8. It encodes Chinese just fine. > Tokens such as "VOICE" and "MSG" will not be vary >understandable in China. I think we need a separate DTD for each >language. The element names are not supposed to be human-parsable. The DTD is for XML parsers. This is true for all XML DTDs, regardless of the human language that the originator wrote them in. >4. The "lang" attribute is specified for many of the vCard elements. >This is not pragmatic. It should only be an attribute of the vCard >element itself, and should apply to the whole card. I do not want cards >that are half French and half English. I want a French business card >and an English business card, and I will give the appropriate one out >depending on the context. I disagree here. There are many cases where people want to have multiple languages in a single card. For instance, one might want to make comments in more than one language. Or, your company name might be in Japanese and your personal name in Chinese. These scenarios are quite common. >9. The element "sort-string" is not needed. It should be deleted. There have been many requests for this from various Asian countries. Again, I hope others will respond to your other comments. --Paul Hoffman, Director --Internet Mail Consortium From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Fri Oct 2 13:00:59 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id NAA00275 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00271 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:00:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank_Dawson/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA23171; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA02636; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256691.006E66C3 ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:05:52 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: LOTUS@MTA To: Randal Leavitt cc: ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Message-ID: <85256691.006E4343.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:06:10 -0400 Subject: Re: vCard XML DTD comments Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk Randal: As you may know, the DTD would not be moved with each vCard XML document; just like the vCard v3.0 spec is not moved with each MIME Directory encoded vCard. Instead, the vCard XML document makes reference to the external DTD. The only DTD elements within a vCard are those components of the original DTD that are revised within the vCard XML document (e.g., in order to add a TEL parameter). Hope this addresses your concern. - - Frank Dawson From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Sat Oct 3 13:10:58 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id NAA25646 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.halifax.istar.net (lobster.istar.ca [137.186.128.2]) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25642 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms01-454.ott.istar.ca ([137.186.209.200] helo=fox.nstn.ca) by mail1.halifax.istar.net with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org id 0zPY0w-0004rg-00; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:10:51 -0400 Message-ID: <36168701.566A6F1E@fox.nstn.ca> Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 16:20:18 -0400 From: Randal Leavitt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Subject: vCard XML DTD comments 03 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0AEE4621C874854BB5928869" Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0AEE4621C874854BB5928869 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comments about: The vCard v3.0 XML DTD Commentor: Randal Leavitt, email: nstn1291@fox.nstn.ca I am still perplexed about several attributes, (e.g. del.type, tel.type, email.type) which are specified as "NMTOKENS". It seems to me that child empty elements should be used instead. This will allow parsers to validate them, and will allow any combination of values to be present or absent. --------------0AEE4621C874854BB5928869 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Randal Leavitt Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Randal Leavitt n: Leavitt;Randal email;internet: nstn1291@fox.nstn.ca note: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------0AEE4621C874854BB5928869-- From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Mon Oct 5 11:20:05 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id LAA08449 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08443 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:20:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank_Dawson/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA13270; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA10957; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256694.00652B17 ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:25:01 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: LOTUS@MTA To: Randal Leavitt cc: ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Message-ID: <85256694.00597F36.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:11:47 -0400 Subject: Re: vCard XML DTD comments 03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk Randal Leavitt wrote: "I am still perplexed about several attributes, (e.g. del.type, tel.type, email.type) which are specified as "NMTOKENS". It seems to me that child empty elements should be used instead. This will allow parsers to validate them, and will allow any combination of values to be present or absent." The DTD design for vCard revolves around a number of design points. - vCard DTD needs to be a functional equivalent to the MIME Directory profile. - The format types for the delivery address, telephone and email were mapped into attributes because as PCDATA, there would be no way to "validate" the values of the attributes. - In the event that non-standard "X-" types are defined in the vCard document, you need to declare these for the recipient. Making them attributes with a NMTOKENS or NMTOKEN value type will provide for this. - - Frank Dawson From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Mon Oct 19 12:05:39 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id MAA10252 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (hplb.hpl.hp.com [192.6.10.2]) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10248 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from otter.hpl.hp.com (otter.hpl.hp.com [15.144.59.2]) by hplb.hpl.hp.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6 HPLabs Bristol Relay) with ESMTP id UAA17359 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:07:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (kristensen-a-3.hpl.hp.com) by otter.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.6+ISC) id AA203554013; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:06:53 +0100 Message-Id: <362B8EC3.50F8DE0E@hplb.hpl.hp.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:10:59 +0100 From: Anders Kristensen Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Subject: vCard v3.0 XML DTD (v01) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk Hello everybody, I read the I-D giving an XML DTD for vCard and have a couple of comments. My apologies for rambling along - I got a bit carried away ;-) Here goes. I think it would be a good idea to give a URL which can act as the XML namespace identifier for XML encoded vCards. Would it be possible to restrict dates (the bday element/attribute) to be the W3C recommended subset of ISO 8601 (http://www.w3.org/TR/NOTE-datetime-970915.html)? Probably not if vCard allows the full complexity of ISO 8601. Would be desirable, though. When will people learn that options are not always good? Page 2: The [VCARD] specification defines a strongly typed object format. This level of data typing is difficult to express in the XML content model since it only supports the parsable character data (i.e., PCDATA") content information. The DTD attempts to convey the vCard's strong data typing with a "value" attribute on each property element. Presumably you mean "type" attribute? And while we're at the nits: you get the vCard version attribute wrong in all examples - "1.0" rather than "3.0". You're also not consistent with the case of attributes - XML settled on case-sensistive element and attribute names, right? Why not define the url element to be a 'simple' XLink, e.g. or something like that (see a element below)? This allows XLink aware, vCard *unaware* apps to treat the url as a hyperlink. On embedding base64 encoded binary data in XML documents: I generally prefer an alternative approach, namely to use references and MHTML and the cid URL type. UAs may find this harder to handle, I don't know, but it seems like the cleaner approach of the two. I would make the same comment about the handling of *embedded* vCards. In this case I think it's much better to refer to a remote vCard, say, using an http URL, or to a local one transmitted or encoded using MHTML. By not embedding the vCard directly you get a more uniform handling as it will just be a URI regardless of whether the subordinate vCard is local or remote. [BTW described how to include literal base64 encoded data into a 'data' URL.] You use XML entities as the mechanism for refering to remote vCards. I would much prefer just using URLs the way they're used in HTML (like 'simple' links in XLink - with a content-role attribute value of 'agent', say). IMHO it's kind of unfortunate that XML even provides two mechanisms that can be used for such things. Using XML entities for references to remote vCards means applications will have to parse at least part of the DTD and authors and tools have to generate it. Using HTML-ish URLs avoids this. So my vCard could be (with a namespace): Anders Kristensen KristensenAnders so the same "a" link element is used to reference different "objects" (my URL, photo, email address, telephone, digital signature, related vCards) all of which can either be remote or included in a related MIME body part (in this case my agents vCard). Note that all the attributes of the link element shown here are defined by XLink and have defined semantics. The "role" attribute is the XLink "content-role" which I've shorted to "role" using the attribute mapping facility of XLink (to save typing and bandwidth). A standard set of roles would be taken from the vCard spec but people can use their own ones (maybe with an "x-" prefix). In the cases where the href URI *is* the content it might be desirable to use a separate element. This is the case for the email address and URL. If the generic a element is used it is implicit that the email address given is mine, but then that's fine, right? One might also want a separate element for the photo, although I don't see the need for that. HTML does this. The HTML img tag signals that the resource is an image and that it should be inlined. With XLink the 'show' attribute is used for signalling whether to inline the resource or not. I don't see the point of giving the content type in the link itself. If the image/sound is remote, the content-type will typically be provided by the transport, eg HTTP, and if it's given in an MHTML body part it will be provided in the Content-Type header for that body part. It was needed for base64 encoded, inline binary content but not if MHTML is used. At least make it optional. I don't think that just because it's given explicitly in the vCard notation the XML encoding also has to. Feel free to disagree violently. The question of whether to use XML entities or URIs has an analogue in formal public identifiers (FPIs). On the Web URIs are used as global identifiers - as in XML namespaces. Again we have an SGML mechanism and a "native Web" mechanism. For both entities vs URLs and FPIs vs URLs I think it's true that the Web mechanism assumes the least about cooperating UAs - in terms of capablities and shared knowledge. Non-standard extensions: don't introduce your own "x-" namespace mechanism. XML already has a perfectly fine one. On a more speculative note, and not related to the XML encoding... Would it be a good idea to define an element whose purpose it would be to uniquely identify people? As vCards stand, if I want to find out whether the person identified by two vCards are the same, I can only compare values and it can't be done reliably (as people move about etc). In some countries, e.g. Denmark where I come from, everyone gets a personal number at birth - it would be natural to *allow* the recording of this information in vCards (for security reasons you'd want to be careful who you give it to). Again this field could be a URI, e.g. of the form pid:dk:010269-7777. Countries without a personal ID could use social security number or whatever. Also would it be an idea for the vCard spec to define lists of people, e.g. for exchange mailing lists or address books? 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Thanks. ...cmb From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Mon Sep 20 08:08:37 1999 Received: by mail.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14801 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by mail.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14797 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:08:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank_Dawson@lotus.com Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA24852 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from barium.Lotus.com (BARIUM.lotus.com [9.95.4.108]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA26780 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:09:01 -0400 (EDT) To: ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Subject: Re: Schedule X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V5010624 June 24, 1999 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:21:14 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Barium/CAM/M/Lotus(Release 5.0.1|July 16, 1999) at 09/20/99 11:21:25 AM, Serialize complete at 09/20/99 11:21:25 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0053AB50852567F2_=" Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0053AB50852567F2_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Craig: My personal opinion is that this DTD still needs some review. In addition, I have not gotten a strong endorsement for much more than processing as an informational standard. The "standard" vCard remains RFC 2426. If you want interoperability today, best to use that RFC, rather than this XML DTD. However, as XML usage increases, I would expect that attention will be focused on this DTD. -- Frank --=_alternative 0053AB50852567F2_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Craig:

My personal opinion is that this DTD still needs some review. In addition, I have not gotten a strong endorsement for much more than processing as an informational standard.

The "standard" vCard remains RFC 2426. If you want interoperability today, best to use that RFC, rather than this XML DTD.

However, as XML usage increases, I would expect that attention will be focused on this DTD.

-- Frank

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From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Wed Oct 20 03:25:03 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.imc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06914 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 03:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown (226.pool.atl800.gw.eni.net [155.229.7.226]) by mail.imc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA06910; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 03:24:58 -0700 (PDT) From: art1235@visto.com Subject: laser printer toner advertisement Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:10:07 Message-Id: <829.61292.702487@> Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: BENCHMARK SUPPLY 7540 BRIDGEGATE COURT ATLANTA GA 30350 ***LASER PRINTER TONER CARTRIDGES*** ***FAX AND COPIER TONER*** CHECK OUT OUR NEW CARTRIDGE PRICES : APPLE LASER WRITER PRO 600 OR 16/600 $69 LASER WRITER SELECT 300,310.360 $69 LASER WRITER 300, 320 $54 LASER WRITER LS,NT,2NTX,2F,2G & 2SC $54 LASER WRITER 12/640 $79 HEWLETT PACKARD LASERJET SERIES 2,3 & 3D (95A) $49 LASERJET SERIES 2P AND 3P (75A) $54 LASERJET SERIES 3SI AND 4SI (91A) $75 LASERJET SERIES 4L AND 4P $49 LASERJET SERIES 4, 4M, 5, 5M, 4+ (98A) $59 LASERJET SERIES 4000 HIGH YIELD (27X) $99 LASERJET SERIES 4V $95 LASERJET SERIES 5SI , 8000 $95 LASERJET SERIES 5L AND 6L $49 LASERJET SERIES 5P, 5MP, 6P, 6MP $59 LASERJET SERIES 5000 (29A) $135 LASERJET SERIES 1100 (92A) $49 LASERJET SERIES 2100 (96A) $89 LASERJET SERIES 8100 (82X) $145 HP LASERFAX LASERFAX 500, 700, FX1, $59 LASERFAX 5000, 7000, FX2, $59 LASERFAX FX3 $69 LASERFAX FX4 $79 LEXMARK OPTRA 4019, 4029 HIGH YIELD $135 OPTRA R, 4039, 4049 HIGH YIELD $135 OPTRA S 4059 HIGH YIELD $135 OPTRA E $59 OPTRA N $115 EPSON EPL-7000, 8000 $105 EPL-1000, 1500 $105 CANON LBP-430 $49 LBP-460, 465 $59 LBP-8 II $54 LBP-LX $54 LBP-MX $95 LBP-AX $49 LBP-EX $59 LBP-SX $49 LBP-BX $95 LBP-PX $49 LBP-WX $95 LBP-VX $59 CANON FAX L700 THRU L790 FX1 $59 CANONFAX L5000 L70000 FX2 $59 CANON COPIERS PC 20, 25 ETC.... $89 PC 3, 6RE, 7, 11 (A30) $69 PC 320 THRU 780 (E40) $89 NEC SERIES 2 LASER MODEL 90,95 $105 PLEASE NOTE: 1) ALL OUR CARTRIDGES ARE GENUINE OEM CARTRIDGES. 2) WE DO NOT SEND OUT CATALOGS OR PRICE LISTS 3) WE DO NOT FAX QUOTES OR PRICE LISTS. 4) WE DO NOT SELL TO RESELLERS OR BUY FROM DISTRIBUTERS 5) WE DO NOT CARRY: BROTHER-MINOLTA-KYOSERA-PANASONIC PRODUCTS 6) WE DO NOT CARRY: XEROX-FUJITSU-OKIDATA OR SHARP PRODUCTS 7) WE DO NOT CARRY ANY COLOR PRINTER SUPPLIES 8) WE DO NOT CARRY DESKJET/INKJET OR BUBBLEJET SUPPLIES 9) WE DO NOT BUY FROM OR SELL TO RECYCLERS OR REMANUFACTURERS WE ACCEPT GOVERNMENT, SCHOOL & UNIVERSITY PURCHASE ORDERS JUST LEAVE YOUR PO # WITH CORRECT BILLING & SHIPPING ADDRESS ****OUR ORDER LINE IS 770-399-0953 **** ****OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE LINE IS 800-586-0540**** ****OUR E-MAIL REMOVAL AND COMPLAINT LINE IS 888-532-7170**** ****PLACE YOUR ORDER AS FOLLOWS**** : BY PHONE 770-399-0953 BY FAX: 770-698-9700 BY MAIL: BENCHMARK PRINT SUPPLY 7540 BRIDGEGATE COURT , ATLANTA GA 30350 MAKE SURE YOU INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IN YOUR ORDER: 1) YOUR PHONE NUMBER 2) COMPANY NAME 3) SHIPPING ADDRESS 4) YOUR NAME 5) ITEMS NEEDED WITH QUANTITIES 6) METHOD OF PAYMENT. 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From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Thu Oct 21 04:51:00 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.imc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA00337 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from george.ebookers.com (george.ebookers.com [195.224.87.254]) by mail.imc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA00333 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ebookers.com ([195.224.87.146]) by george.ebookers.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA29709 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:50:47 +0100 Message-ID: <380F0D23.F5E430B1@ebookers.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:54:59 +0100 From: Martin Lee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vcard mailing list Subject: multiple one , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------270153EFF5DC54A984585F04" Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------270153EFF5DC54A984585F04 Content-Type: text/plain; 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Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002a01bf1bcc$b74cb840$01dc0a0a@bellatlantic.net> From: "Eric Patrick" To: "Vcard mailing list" References: <380F0D23.F5E430B1@ebookers.com> Subject: Re: multiple one , Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:01:04 -0400 Organization: Aspen Grove MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Would multiple family names within the DTD allow interest geneology searches? Obviously abuse potential here, but some interesting family tree, six degrees type of tracking. (I realize that it was probably not intended for such purposes.) Eric Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Lee To: Vcard mailing list Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 8:54 AM Subject: multiple one , > Hi, > > I'm developing an XML DTD to describe people. An XML implementation > of Vcard would appear to be a good place to start. > > The line > > strikes me as strange. This allows for someone to have more > than one family name and given name. You could use the lang > attribute to specify different names for different languages, but > the DTD does not stop the defining of multiple family names and > given names for a single language. > The multiple use of the lang attribute for each element within the > element n appears unnecessary. > > I suggest allowing multiple occurrences of within , > with taking the language attribute, so that different description > of name + titles can be used for different languages + countries. > > So becomes > > > Declaration for fn is left unchanged, do we actually need multiple > language > information ? Or will one do, while keeping the lang attribute to > show > which language it was compiled for ? > > becomes > > > You can have more than one 'other' name, more than one prefix and > suffix, but only one family name. Double barrelled family names > eg. Palmer-Tomkinson can be treated as one eg. > Palmer-Tomkinson instead of > PalmerTomkinson which is > allowed in the existing DTD. > Elements family, given, other, prefix,suffix loose their lang attribute, > > inheriting the language of their parent n element. > > eg. an individual is known as in the US as Dr. John Doe III Jr. PhD, > in the UK as Dr. John Doe PhD, and in France where only medical > doctors use the Dr title as John Doe PhD. > His tag would become: > > > Doe > John > Dr. > III > PhD > > > Doe > John > Dr. > PhD > > > Doe > John > PhD > > > which is verbose but I believe more clear than: > > Doe > John > Dr. > III > PhD > > > > > What do people think? > Are there still people on this list? > > Martin > > > > > From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Thu Oct 21 07:53:40 1999 Received: by mail.imc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02902 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from george.ebookers.com (george.ebookers.com [195.224.87.254]) by mail.imc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02898 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ebookers.com ([195.224.87.146]) by george.ebookers.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA32130; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:52:41 +0100 Message-ID: <380F37C6.FCC34D03@ebookers.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:56:54 +0100 From: Martin Lee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Patrick , Vcard mailing list Subject: Re: multiple one , References: <380F0D23.F5E430B1@ebookers.com> <002a01bf1bcc$b74cb840$01dc0a0a@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------512B0D11F19A214B623E9FEC" Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------512B0D11F19A214B623E9FEC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 T3VyIGdvYWxzIG1heSBiZSBxdWl0ZSBzaW1pbGFyLi4uDQoNClRoZSByaWdodCB0b29sIGZv ciB0aGUgcmlnaHQgam9iLiBBIFhNTCBEVEQgc3BlY2lmaWMgZm9yDQpkZXNjcmliaW5nICpz aW5nbGUqIGluZGl2aWR1YWxzIGNhbiBiZSB1c2VkIGluIGNvbmp1bmN0aW9uIHdpdGgNCm90 aGVyIERURHMgdGhhdCBhcmUgc3BlY2lmaWMgdG8gdGhlaXIgdGFza3MsIHN1Y2ggYXMgZ2Vu ZW9sb2d5LiBJDQp0aGluayB0cnlpbmcgdG8gZm9yY2UgVmNhcmQtWE1MIHRvIGJlIHVzZWQg Zm9yIG90aGVyIHB1cnBvc2VzDQp3b3VsZCBiZSBhIG1pc3Rha2UsIGVzcGVjaWFsbHkgYXMg dGhlcmUgYXJlIGVhc2llciB3YXlzIHRvIGRvIGl0DQp2aWEgWGxpbmsgb3IgWE1MIG5hbWVz cGFjZXMuDQpDcmVhdGUgYSBEVEQgdG8gZGVzY3JpYmUgdGhlIHJlbGF0aW9uc2hpcCBiZXR3 ZWVuIGluZGl2aWR1YWxzLA0KYnV0IGhvbGQgdGhlIGluZGl2aWR1YWxzIGRhdGEgaW4gVmNh cmQtWE1MLCB0aGVuIHJlZmVyZW5jZSB0aGF0DQpkYXRhIHRocm91Z2ggWExpbmsuDQoNClRo ZSBvbmx5IG9jY3VycmVuY2UgdGhhdCBJIGNhbiB0aGluayBvZiAgd2hlcmUgeW91IG1heSBy ZXF1aXJlDQptdWx0aXBsZSBpbnN0YW5jZXMgb2YgYSBmYW1pbGx5IG5hbWUgaXMgZm9yIFNw YW5pc2ggc3BlYWtpbmcgY291bnRyaWVzDQp3aGVyZSBhbiBpbmRpdmlkdWFsJ3Mgc3VybmFt ZXMgaXMgY29tcG9zZWQgb2YgdGhlaXIgbW90aGVyJ3MgbWFpZGVuDQpuYW1lIGFuZCBmYXRo ZXIncyBzdXJuYW1lLiBIZXJlIGl0IGNvdWxkIGJlIGFyZ3VlZCBpdHMgbmVjZXNzYXJ5DQp0 byBzZXBhcmF0ZSB0aGUgdHdvIHN1cm5hbWVzIG90aGVyd2lzZSBzdXJuYW1lcyBjb25jYXRl bmF0ZSB0aHJvdWdoDQpnZW5lcmF0aW9ucy4NCg0KDQpFcmljIFBhdHJpY2sgd3JvdGU6DQoN Cj4gV291bGQgbXVsdGlwbGUgZmFtaWx5IG5hbWVzIHdpdGhpbiB0aGUgRFREIGFsbG93IGlu dGVyZXN0IGdlbmVvbG9neQ0KPiBzZWFyY2hlcz8gIE9idmlvdXNseSBhYnVzZSBwb3RlbnRp YWwgaGVyZSwgYnV0IHNvbWUgaW50ZXJlc3RpbmcgZmFtaWx5IHRyZWUsDQo+IHNpeCBkZWdy ZWVzIHR5cGUgb2YgdHJhY2tpbmcuICAoSSByZWFsaXplIHRoYXQgaXQgd2FzIHByb2JhYmx5 IG5vdCBpbnRlbmRlZA0KPiBmb3Igc3VjaCBwdXJwb3Nlcy4pDQo+DQo+IEVyaWMgUGF0cmlj aw0KPg0KPg0K --------------512B0D11F19A214B623E9FEC Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=iso-8859-1; name="martin.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: Card for Martin Lee Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="martin.vcf" YmVnaW46dmNhcmQgCm46TGVlO01hcnRpbgp0ZWw7ZmF4Ois0NCAoMjA3KSA3NTcgMjY5OQp0 ZWw7d29yazorNDQgKDIwNykgNzU3IDI2NTkKeC1tb3ppbGxhLWh0bWw6RkFMU0UKdXJsOmh0 dHA6Ly93d3cuZWJvb2tlcnMuY29tCm9yZzpFYm9va2Vycy5jb20KYWRyOjs7MzQtNDIgV29i dXJuIFBsYWNlO0xvbmRvbjs7V0MxSCAwVEE7RW5nbGFuZAp2ZXJzaW9uOjIuMQplbWFpbDtp bnRlcm5ldDptYXJ0aW5AZWJvb2tlcnMuY29tCnRpdGxlOkVjb21tZXJjZSBQcm9ncmFtbWVy CngtbW96aWxsYS1jcHQ6OzI1NzYwCmZuOk1hcnRpbiBMZWUKZW5kOnZjYXJkCg== --------------512B0D11F19A214B623E9FEC-- From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Fri Oct 22 02:27:13 1999 Received: by mail.imc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08730 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 02:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from george.ebookers.com (george.ebookers.com [195.224.87.254]) by mail.imc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08724 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 02:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ebookers.com ([195.224.87.146]) by george.ebookers.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA04749 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:27:01 +0100 Message-ID: <38103CF2.2B5A7EF7@ebookers.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:31:14 +0100 From: Martin Lee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vcard mailing list Subject: more than one birthday!! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0389427A92A827BCC7538634" Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0389427A92A827BCC7538634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PCFFTEVNRU5UIHZDYXJkICglcHJvcC5tYW47LCAoJXByb3Aub3B0OykqPg0KDQpPbmUgb2Js aWdhdG9yeSBwcm9wLm1hbiwgbm9uZSAsIG9uZSBvciBtYW55IG9mIHByb3Aub3B0Lg0KQnV0 IHByb3Aub3B0IGNvbnRhaW5zICVwcm9wLmlkOyB8ICVwcm9wLmRlbDssIHwgJXByb3AudGVs OyBldGMuDQolcHJvcC5pZCBkZXNjcmliZXMgbmlja25hbWUsIHBob3RvLCBiZGF5LiBTbyBp dHMgcXVpdGUgbGVnYWwNCnRvIGhhdmUgbWFueSBwcm9wLm9wdCBlbnRpdGllcyBjb25zaXN0 aW5nIG9mIHByb3AuaWQgZW50aXRpZXMNCmRlc2NyaWJpbmcgdGhlIHZhcmlvdXMgZGlmZmVy ZW50IGJpcnRoZGF5cyB5b3UgaGF2ZS4NCihOb3QgdmVyeSB1c2VmdWwgdW5sZXNzIHlvdSBh cmUgYSBtb25hcmNoKS4NCg0KSSBzdWdnZXN0IGFib2xpc2hpbmcgdGhlIHByb3Aub3B0IGVu dGl0eSBlbnRpcmVseSwgYW5kDQpkZWZpbmluZyB2Q2FyZCBlbGVtZW50IGFzOg0KDQo8IUVM RU1FTlQgdkNhcmQgKCVwcm9wLm1hbjssJXByb3AuaWQ7PywlcHJvcC5kZWw7KiwNCiVwcm9w LnRlbDsqLCVwcm9wLmdlbzsqLCVwcm9wLm9yZzsqLHByb3AuZXhwOz8sJXByb3Auc2VjOz8p Pg0KDQoNCk1hcnRpbg0KDQo= --------------0389427A92A827BCC7538634 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=iso-8859-1; name="martin.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: Card for Martin Lee Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="martin.vcf" YmVnaW46dmNhcmQgCm46TGVlO01hcnRpbgp0ZWw7ZmF4Ois0NCAoMjA3KSA3NTcgMjY5OQp0 ZWw7d29yazorNDQgKDIwNykgNzU3IDI2NTkKeC1tb3ppbGxhLWh0bWw6RkFMU0UKdXJsOmh0 dHA6Ly93d3cuZWJvb2tlcnMuY29tCm9yZzpFYm9va2Vycy5jb20KYWRyOjs7MzQtNDIgV29i dXJuIFBsYWNlO0xvbmRvbjs7V0MxSCAwVEE7RW5nbGFuZAp2ZXJzaW9uOjIuMQplbWFpbDtp bnRlcm5ldDptYXJ0aW5AZWJvb2tlcnMuY29tCnRpdGxlOkVjb21tZXJjZSBQcm9ncmFtbWVy CngtbW96aWxsYS1jcHQ6OzI1NzYwCmZuOk1hcnRpbiBMZWUKZW5kOnZjYXJkCg== --------------0389427A92A827BCC7538634-- From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Mon Oct 25 06:58:45 1999 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09147 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 06:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from umpah.w3.org (IDENT:massimo@umpah.w3.org [18.29.0.202]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09143 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 06:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from massimo@localhost) by umpah.w3.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17009; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:00:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:00:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199910251400.KAA17009@umpah.w3.org> From: Massimo Marchiori To: Frank_Dawson@lotus.com CC: ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Subject: XML-vCard Status Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Dear Frank, I have some questions regarding your IETF draft "The vCard v3.0 XML DTD", that I see is expiring on Dec'99. First, is the project still alive? And if so, do you have an idea on who has started to adopt this new format (did the market reacted positively or there's some inertia?). Finally, in case such project is still alive, how stable is the draft (that is, how much room for modifications there is)? Such questions are of relevance for W3C's P3P specification (http://www.w3.org/P3P/ ), that as you know references vCard in its base data set specification. If you could provide me with a prompt answer on the above points, I'd appreciate it very much. Thanks in advance, -Massimo /---------------------------------------------------------------\ | Massimo Marchiori Room NE43-350 | | The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) 545 Technology Square | | MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Cambridge, MA 02139, USA | | WWW: http://w3.org/People/Massimo Phone: +1 (617) 253 2442 | | Email: massimo@w3.org Fax: +1 (617) 258 5999 | \---------------------------------------------------------------/ From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Thu Oct 28 15:54:33 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17729 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from doggate.exchange.microsoft.com (doggate.exchange.microsoft.com [131.107.88.55]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17725 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PTROUTE.dfpt.extest.microsoft.com (PTROUTE [172.30.236.83]) by doggate.exchange.microsoft.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id VYMGN81C; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:57:21 -0700 Received: from PTPUP.dfpt.extest.microsoft.com ([172.30.236.191]) by PTROUTE.dfpt.extest.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2152.1); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:59:40 -0700 Thread-Index: Ab8e+41cihZ/vuXnRPKqM29coPo69wCma41w content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Lisa Lippert \(Dusseault\) \(Platinum\)" To: "Massimo Marchiori" , Cc: Subject: RE: XML-vCard Status Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:59:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_C1EB_01BF215D.70D67040" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: XML-vCard Status X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 1999 22:59:40.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D642070:01BF2198] Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_C1EB_01BF215D.70D67040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Massimo,=20 Microsoft Exchange 2000 has implemented an XML representation for VCard-style data. This is not the same format that is defined in the Internet-Draft. Instead, the Exchange format is compatible with prior versions of Outlook, and also with the HTTP-WebDAV protocol -- so you can use the WebDAV protocol to query a server for specific properties on a list of contacts/vcards. Exchange 2000 is in public beta. Lisa -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org]On Behalf Of Massimo Marchiori Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 7:01 AM To: Frank_Dawson@lotus.com Cc: ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Subject: XML-vCard Status Dear Frank, I have some questions regarding your IETF draft=20 "The vCard v3.0 XML DTD", that I see is expiring on Dec'99. First, is the project still alive? And if so, do you have an=20 idea on who has started to adopt this new format (did the market reacted positively or there's some inertia?). Finally, in case such project is still alive, how stable is=20 the draft (that is, how much room for modifications there is)? Such questions are of relevance for W3C's P3P specification=20 (http://www.w3.org/P3P/ ), that as you know references vCard in=20 its base data set specification. If you could provide me with a prompt answer on the above points, I'd=20 appreciate it very much. Thanks in advance, -Massimo /---------------------------------------------------------------\ | Massimo Marchiori Room NE43-350 | | The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) 545 Technology Square | | MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Cambridge, MA 02139, USA | | WWW: http://w3.org/People/Massimo Phone: +1 (617) 253 2442 | | Email: massimo@w3.org Fax: +1 (617) 258 5999 |=20 \---------------------------------------------------------------/ =20 ------=_NextPart_000_C1EB_01BF215D.70D67040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: XML-vCard Status

Hello Massimo,
Microsoft Exchange 2000 has implemented an XML = representation for VCard-style data.  This is not the same format = that is defined in the Internet-Draft.  Instead, the Exchange = format is compatible with prior versions of Outlook, and also with the = HTTP-WebDAV protocol -- so you can use the WebDAV protocol to query a = server for specific properties on a list of contacts/vcards.

Exchange 2000 is in public beta.

Lisa

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org
[mailto:owner-ietf-vcard-xml@= imc.org]On Behalf Of Massimo Marchiori
Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 7:01 AM
To: Frank_Dawson@lotus.com
Cc: ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org
Subject: XML-vCard Status


Dear Frank, I have some questions regarding your IETF = draft
"The vCard v3.0 XML DTD", that I see is = expiring on Dec'99.
First, is the project still alive? And if so, do you = have an
idea on who has started to adopt this new format (did = the market
reacted positively or there's some inertia?).
Finally, in case such project is still alive, how = stable is
the draft (that is, how much room for modifications = there is)?

Such questions are of relevance for W3C's P3P = specification
(http://www.w3.org/P3P/ ), that as you know = references vCard in
its base data set specification.

If you could provide me with a prompt answer on the = above points, I'd
appreciate it very much.

Thanks in advance,
-Massimo


/---------------------------------------------------------------= \
| Massimo = Marchiori          &nbs= p;         Room = NE43-350           = ; |
| The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)  545 = Technology Square    |
| MIT Laboratory for Computer Science  = Cambridge, MA 02139, USA |
| WWW: http://w3.org/People/Massimo    = Phone: +1 (617) 253 2442 |
| Email: = massimo@w3.org          = ;      Fax:   +1 (617) 258 5999 | =
\---------------------------------------------------------------= /
          &nbs= p;  

------=_NextPart_000_C1EB_01BF215D.70D67040-- From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Mon Nov 1 13:20:53 1999 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01463 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from lotus.lotus.com (lotus.lotus.com [192.233.136.1]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01459 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:20:52 -0800 (PST) From: Frank_Dawson@lotus.com Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus.lotus.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27645; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:13:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from barium.Lotus.com (BARIUM.lotus.com [9.95.4.108]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11231; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:18:57 -0500 (EST) To: massimo@w3.org Cc: ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Subject: XML vCard Status X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V5010624 June 24, 1999 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:29:40 -0500 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Barium/CAM/M/Lotus(Release 5.0.1|July 16, 1999) at 11/01/99 04:32:33 PM, Serialize complete at 11/01/99 04:32:33 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0074F0C58525681C_=" Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0074F0C58525681C_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Massimo: The XML vCard draft is being updated to reflect comments that we have received. I would say that interest is very strong for this capability. It is already being referenced by a number of other XML industry activities, so I would say that it is very much alive. Feel free to contact me if you have any other questions. -- Frank --=_alternative 0074F0C58525681C_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Massimo:

The XML vCard draft is being updated to reflect comments that we have received. I would say that interest is very strong for this capability. It is already being referenced by a number of other XML industry activities, so I would say that it is very much alive.

Feel free to contact me if you have any other questions.

-- Frank

--=_alternative 0074F0C58525681C_=-- From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Mon Nov 1 13:31:00 1999 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01579 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ep-services.com (205-214-62-69.gw.eni.net [205.214.62.69]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01575 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:30:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from SOFT2 by ep-services.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA00554; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:28:36 -0800 From: "Cristof Falk" To: Cc: Subject: RE: XML vCard Status Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:32:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005C_01BF246D.93F67120" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6400 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01BF246D.93F67120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can a note be sent out when the draft is ready to look at? Thanks. -cf -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org]On Behalf Of Frank_Dawson@lotus.com Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 1:30 PM To: massimo@w3.org Cc: ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Subject: XML vCard Status Massimo: The XML vCard draft is being updated to reflect comments that we have received. I would say that interest is very strong for this capability. It is already being referenced by a number of other XML industry activities, so I would say that it is very much alive. Feel free to contact me if you have any other questions. -- Frank ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01BF246D.93F67120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Can a=20 note be sent out when the draft is ready to look at? Thanks. =20 -cf
-----Original Message-----
From: = owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org=20 [mailto:owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org]On Behalf Of=20 Frank_Dawson@lotus.com
Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 = 1:30=20 PM
To: massimo@w3.org
Cc:=20 ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org
Subject: XML vCard=20 Status


Massimo:=20

The XML vCard draft is being = updated to=20 reflect comments that we have received. I would say that interest is = very=20 strong for this capability. It is already being referenced by a number = of=20 other XML industry activities, so I would say that it is very much=20 alive.=20

Feel free to contact me if you = have any=20 other questions.=20

-- Frank=20

------=_NextPart_000_005C_01BF246D.93F67120-- From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Thu Nov 4 03:16:42 1999 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02860 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 03:16:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from george.ebookers.com (george.ebookers.com [195.224.87.254]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA02856 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 03:16:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ebookers.com ([192.168.8.23]) by george.ebookers.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA25012 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:13:17 GMT Message-ID: <38216BBC.5651EAFE@ebookers.com> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 11:19:24 +0000 From: Martin Lee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vcard mailing list Subject: tightening element adr Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------655BCE2B9AF1DAE9E6CD04A1" Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------655BCE2B9AF1DAE9E6CD04A1 Content-Type: text/plain; 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charset=iso-8859-1; name="martin.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: Card for Martin Lee Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="martin.vcf" YmVnaW46dmNhcmQgCm46TGVlO01hcnRpbgp0ZWw7ZmF4Ois0NCAoMjA3KSA3NTcgMjY5OQp0 ZWw7d29yazorNDQgKDIwNykgNzU3IDI2NTkKeC1tb3ppbGxhLWh0bWw6RkFMU0UKdXJsOmh0 dHA6Ly93d3cuZWJvb2tlcnMuY29tCm9yZzpFYm9va2Vycy5jb20KYWRyOjs7MzQtNDIgV29i dXJuIFBsYWNlO0xvbmRvbjs7V0MxSCAwVEE7RW5nbGFuZAp2ZXJzaW9uOjIuMQplbWFpbDtp bnRlcm5ldDptYXJ0aW5AZWJvb2tlcnMuY29tCnRpdGxlOkVjb21tZXJjZSBQcm9ncmFtbWVy CngtbW96aWxsYS1jcHQ6OzI1NzYwCmZuOk1hcnRpbiBMZWUKZW5kOnZjYXJkCg== --------------655BCE2B9AF1DAE9E6CD04A1-- From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Thu Nov 4 08:11:52 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08022 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:11:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08017 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:11:51 -0800 (PST) From: Frank_Dawson@lotus.com Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17774; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from barium.Lotus.com (BARIUM.lotus.com [9.95.4.108]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03018; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:10:03 -0500 (EST) To: Martin Lee Cc: ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Subject: Re: tightening element adr X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V5010624 June 24, 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:11:44 -0500 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Barium/CAM/M/Lotus(Release 5.0.1|July 16, 1999) at 11/04/99 11:11:47 AM, Serialize complete at 11/04/99 11:11:47 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0058F9C58525681F_=" Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0058F9C58525681F_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Actually, the values for the Adr element type content particles are parsable character data. The \n is parsable. No problem. But agree that if the intent is to convey multiple instances of the address component, then having multiple element types for the component is better. About multiple locality, region, pcode and country. We don't want to provide any greater functionality than that provided in standard vCard, as defined in RFC 2426. This spec specifies: adr-value = 0*6(text-value ";") text-value ; PO Box, Extended Address, Street, Locality, Region, Postal ; Code, Country Name Where text-value is specified as: text-value-list = 1*text-value *("," 1*text-value) So, stictly speaking, the ability for multiple locality, region, pcode and country is correct. Let remember, we are defining a different semantic here than in the RFC. I do agree, though, that having multiple of these address components does not make much sense, as it would for Extended Address or Street components. Maybe we need to fix the ABNF in the RFC 2426? I know of no implementation that will support multiple locality, region, pcode and country values. -- Frank --=_alternative 0058F9C58525681F_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Actually, the values for the Adr element type content particles are parsable character data. The \n is parsable. No problem. But agree that if the intent is to convey multiple instances of the address component, then having multiple element types for the component is better.

About multiple locality, region, pcode and country. We don't want to provide any greater functionality than that provided in standard vCard, as defined in RFC 2426. This spec specifies:

adr-value    = 0*6(text-value ";") text-value
       ; PO Box, Extended Address, Street, Locality, Region, Postal
       ; Code, Country Name

Where text-value is specified as:

text-value-list      = 1*text-value *("," 1*text-value)

So, stictly speaking, the ability for multiple locality, region, pcode and country is correct. Let remember, we are defining a different semantic here than in the RFC. I do agree, though, that having multiple of these address components does not make much sense, as it would for Extended Address or Street components.

Maybe we need to fix the ABNF in the RFC 2426? I know of no implementation that will support multiple locality, region, pcode and country values.

-- Frank

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YmVnaW46dmNhcmQgCm46TGVlO01hcnRpbgp0ZWw7ZmF4Ois0NCAoMjA3KSA3NTcgMjY5OQp0 ZWw7d29yazorNDQgKDIwNykgNzU3IDI2NTkKeC1tb3ppbGxhLWh0bWw6RkFMU0UKdXJsOmh0 dHA6Ly93d3cuZWJvb2tlcnMuY29tCm9yZzpFYm9va2Vycy5jb20KYWRyOjs7MzQtNDIgV29i dXJuIFBsYWNlO0xvbmRvbjs7V0MxSCAwVEE7RW5nbGFuZAp2ZXJzaW9uOjIuMQplbWFpbDtp bnRlcm5ldDptYXJ0aW5AZWJvb2tlcnMuY29tCnRpdGxlOkVjb21tZXJjZSBQcm9ncmFtbWVy CngtbW96aWxsYS1jcHQ6OzI1NzYwCmZuOk1hcnRpbiBMZWUKZW5kOnZjYXJkCg== --------------8C9C3B5870CFC02F9765B1B7-- From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Mon Nov 29 11:38:06 1999 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01464 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:38:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01460 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:38:05 -0800 (PST) From: Frank_Dawson@lotus.com Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17931; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:53:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from barium.Lotus.com (BARIUM.lotus.com [9.95.4.108]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09597; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:38:07 -0500 (EST) To: Martin Lee Cc: ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Subject: Re: revised DTD X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V5010624 June 24, 1999 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:40:51 -0500 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Barium/CAM/M/Lotus(Release 5.0.1|July 16, 1999) at 11/29/99 02:41:01 PM, Serialize complete at 11/29/99 02:41:01 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 006C58E485256838_=" Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006C58E485256838_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Martin: The issue of changing the content model for the "N" property in the vCard XML DTD is a difficult one. True, that the semantics seem odd for allowing multiple family name. However, this is the standard specified by RFC2426. The last thing we want is to have two RFCs specifying what the vCard standard is. Hence, rather than correcting the vCard specification within the XML DTD, we should be submitting change requests to the vCard standard and reflecting the changes, once accepted, in the vCard XML DTD. We can certainly provide a comment in the DTD that reflects the semantic clarification. -- Frank --=_alternative 006C58E485256838_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Martin:

The issue of changing the content model for the "N" property in the vCard XML DTD is a difficult one. True, that the semantics seem odd for allowing multiple family name. However, this is the standard specified by RFC2426. The last thing we want is to have two RFCs specifying what the vCard standard is. Hence, rather than correcting the vCard specification within the XML DTD, we should be submitting change requests to the vCard standard and reflecting the changes, once accepted, in the vCard XML DTD.

We can certainly provide a comment in the DTD that reflects the semantic clarification.

-- Frank

--=_alternative 006C58E485256838_=-- From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Mon Nov 29 11:51:07 1999 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01611 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:51:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01607 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:51:06 -0800 (PST) From: Frank_Dawson@lotus.com Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19863; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:06:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from barium.Lotus.com (BARIUM.lotus.com [9.95.4.108]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11666; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:51:02 -0500 (EST) To: Martin Lee Cc: ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Subject: Re: revised DTD X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V5010624 June 24, 1999 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:53:53 -0500 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Barium/CAM/M/Lotus(Release 5.0.1|July 16, 1999) at 11/29/99 02:53:57 PM, Serialize complete at 11/29/99 02:53:57 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 006D8AAC85256838_=" Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006D8AAC85256838_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Martin: A separate response about the proposed changes to the "N" property is required. >The number of elements and entities that can occur many times has >been reduced. Although this does not form a truly identical XML >representation for vCard as specified in RFC 2426, it does form a more >meaningful representation of the data. e.g. you can only have one >first name, one family name, and one birthday. There is a real world requirement for supporting multiple family names. For example, in Hispanic cultures, the family name is multi-part where the first is typically the father's family name and the second is the mother's family name. In addition, there are many cultures where multiple first names are specified. These are not other, middle names. We should not change the content model for this property. It would definitely restrict the Internationalization of vCard. In the revised vCard XML DTD, I will leave the content model as it was. -- Frank --=_alternative 006D8AAC85256838_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Martin:

A separate response about the proposed changes to the "N" property is required.

>The number of elements and entities that can occur many times has
>been reduced. Although this does not form a truly identical XML
>representation for vCard as specified in RFC 2426, it does form a more
>meaningful representation of the data. e.g. you can only have one
>first name, one family name, and one birthday.

There is a real world requirement for supporting multiple family names. For example, in Hispanic cultures, the family name is multi-part where the first is typically the father's family name and the second is the mother's family name. In addition, there are many cultures where multiple first names are specified. These are not other, middle names.

We should not change the content model for this property. It would definitely restrict the Internationalization of vCard.

In the revised vCard XML DTD, I will leave the content model as it was.

-- Frank

--=_alternative 006D8AAC85256838_=-- From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Tue Nov 30 01:35:09 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29113 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 01:35:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from george.ebookers.com (mailgate.ebookers.com [212.111.38.132]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29108 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 01:35:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ebookers.com ([192.168.8.23]) by george.ebookers.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA13964; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:36:03 GMT Message-ID: <3843967A.CD4E7F10@ebookers.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:18:50 +0000 From: Martin Lee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vcard mailing list CC: Frank_Dawson@lotus.com Subject: Re: revised DTD References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------D10F5F2C7861FE3BB7DBDED3" Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: 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Canada Blower 11/99 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN charset=US-ASCII Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:06:14 +0100 Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Canada Blower now offers high pressure centrifugal blowers and blower systems for up to: 10,000 CFM @ 5 PSIG PRESSURE We specialize in pressure blowers in series for unique performance range of HIGH PRESSURES together with HIGH TEMPERATURES - up to 1000 F. Please visit us at http://www.angelfire.com/ms/blower and fill out an automatic inquiry form. Susan Terlecki Marketing Manager CANADA BLOWER From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Wed Dec 15 02:44:38 1999 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16998 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:44:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from tux.w3.org (IDENT:massimo@tux.w3.org [18.29.0.27]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16993 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:44:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from massimo@localhost) by tux.w3.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08907; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 05:48:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 05:48:12 -0500 From: Massimo Marchiori Message-Id: <199912151048.FAA08907@tux.w3.org> To: Frank_Dawson@lotus.com Subject: P3P and vCard-in-XML Cc: ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org, massimo@w3.org Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Dear Frank, time ago I was asking for information on vCard, for the W3C's P3P activity. P3P is now coming back on the vCard issue, and I'd need to go on with the dialogue. The main point here is that P3P has now gone to "last call" status, which is the final status before it can actually become a world standard. As you can check from the specification http://www.w3.org/TR/P3P , section 4 defines a simple schema mechanism which has many common points to vCard. In the design phase, we tried to keep the basic P3P schema as much compatible to vCard as possible (in particular, the P3P basic schema should be a direct subset of vCard, when similar fields are defined). Anyway, the vCard-in-XML draft now has the effect that eventually there will be two different standards for the definition of personal fields in XML. Although both easily mappable one into the other (and in general, to vCard), this makes us wonder if there is the possibility of a deeper integration (if it's worth). That is to say, can P3P and vCard-in-XML arrive to smooth differences as much as possible (in the ideal case, be one)? Or this is simply not possible, or too late due to timeline factors? How much room is there for such an aligning? I'd appreciate your opinion on this important point. To this extent, feedback from companies that are going to support vCard-in-XML is also important. I know of the Microsoft's effort with Office 2000 (that Lisa Lippert forwarded to us time ago). Are you aware of any other efforts? Thanks, and hear you soon, -Massimo /---------------------------------------------------------------\ | Massimo Marchiori Room NE43-350 | | The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) 545 Technology Square | | MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Cambridge, MA 02139, USA | | WWW: http://w3.org/People/Massimo Phone: +1 (617) 253 2442 | | Email: massimo@w3.org Fax: +1 (617) 258 5999 | \---------------------------------------------------------------/ From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Wed Dec 15 16:02:06 1999 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21321 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from futuna.netreach.net (qmailr@futuna.netreach.net [207.106.22.5]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA21317 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:02:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:02:05 -0800 (PST) From: short@theshortstop.com Message-Id: <199912160002.QAA21317@ns.secondary.com> Received: (qmail 3564 invoked from network); 16 Dec 1999 00:03:19 -0000 Received: from ppp-207206-016.netreach.net (HELO xpc) (207.29.206.16) by futuna.netreach.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 1999 00:03:19 -0000 To: Subject: Shorter Men in the Malvern - Paoli Area Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: MEN 5' 1" TO 5' 8" YOU'LL NEVER HAVE TO HAVE YOUR PANTS SHORTENED AT THE SHORTSTOP! 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I do not wish to receive unsolicited mail like this. This is clearly an abuse of the vcard mailing list. short@theshortstop.com on 12/15/99 07:02:05 PM To: ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org cc: (bcc: Scott Wilson/PicTel) Subject: Shorter Men in the Malvern - Paoli Area MEN 5' 1" TO 5' 8" YOU'LL NEVER HAVE TO HAVE YOUR PANTS SHORTENED AT THE SHORTSTOP! Our SHORTSTOP Jeans and Khakis are ready-to-wear, right off the shelf. And they are ONLY available at the SHORT STOP in the Shops at Great Valley (next to the Wawa), on Swedes- ford Road, 1/8-mile east of Rt. 29N, across the street from the Homewood Suites and Penn State Graduate Center. WAISTS: 30" to 44" -- INSEAM LENGTHS: 25-1/2" to 30-1/2", both dimensions in 1/2-inch intervals. JEANS: 2 styles, 3 colors. KHAKIS: 100% Cotton Twill, Wrinkle Free -- 2 styles (plain or pleated fronts), 4 colors, uncuffed. HOURS: Tuesday thru Saturday, 11 AM to 3 PM. Always call first for directions and expanded holiday hours. 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I have a BS in Electrical Engineering and computer science and worked on my Master degree in Telecommunication engineering (not finished due to the lucrative market!). I have also 7++ years of experience with software development, Internet development and hardware. I have worked for many companies both in Iran and in the United States using different development environments. I am looking for a position which utilizes my experience. I am open to both Permanent position or contract to permanent positions. I am Canadian resident and have permission to work in Canada. I have attached my resume and sincerely appreciate your attention, thank you. Sincerely, Kian Haghdad Here is my resume: Kian Haghdad 8 Kingsbridge Crt., Apt. 508 Toronto, Ontario M2R 1L5 Home: (416) 630-7066 Fax: (416) 630-7991 Email: khaghdad27@yahoo.com I have more than 7+ years of experience in application development, Database Management, Internet development. I have also been involved in hardware design. My software development experience is mainly in Visual Basic, Visual C++, Visual J++, Visual InterDev, COM, DCOM, MFC, SDKs, MS-Access, MS-SQL, FoxPro, Java script and VB script. Over the years I have been responsible for the Development of many applications from design to commercial release. EDUCATION: Sharif University OF Technology, Tehran (The best technical school in Iran) 9/87-6/92 B.S. Degree: Electrical Engineering and computer science Worked on M.S. degree in Telecommunication engineering EXPERIENCE: 01Communique, Mississauga, Ontario 12/00-Present Involved in the development of a web supported version of the communicating Interface using Active Server Pages, JavaScript, VB Script and browser compatibility, Visual C++6.0, Borland C++, MSMQ, TCP/IP. Application increases the Modem compatibility for the wide variety of connections. It also provides additional capabilities for the desktop version on the web. American SkySat, Walnut Creek, California 5/00-Present * Involved in the development of a web application in Visual InterDev 6.0 using Active Server Pages (ASP), Microsoft E-Commerce, SQL 7.0, XML, Visual C++ 6.0 and Visual Basic 6.0, Visual J++ 6.0, COM (ATL), DCOM, JavaScript and VB Script. The web server was Microsoft Internet Information Server (IIS), Microsoft site server 3.0, with Microsoft E-Commerce edition 3.0 and FrontPage extension running under the NT Server The web application provides NT related services online. The user can register and buy services and also allows the user to troubleshoot and configure a system at real time online. The web site also provides the capability of chatting online, customer support online, statistical analysis online and transaction online. * Developed a database management application for a medical health care center, using Visual Basic 6.0, SQL 7.0, Crystal report and Access 2000. (Windows 98 and NT) American Computech, Pleasanton, California 3/98-5/00 Developed different applications using Visual C++, Visual J++, and Access. * Involved in the development of a CRM (Customer Relation Management)web application in Visual InterDev 6.0 using Active Server Pages (ASP), Microsoft E-Commerce, SQL 7.0, XML, Visual Basic 6.0, Visual J++ 6.0, COM, DCOM, JavaScript and VB Script. (Windows 98 and NT) Developed an application in Visual Basic 5.0, Access 97 and Crystal reports (using ODBC) for financial analyses department of FHP (Concord, California). The application is capable of importing data from other systems, analyzing and processing the data and generating hundreds of reports base on the original data. *Developed an MDI application in Visual C++5,0 and Access 97 for windows called ID maker. The application is designed to drive a digital camera, capture a picture and generate different ID cards using OLE (marketing for schools and clubs). The Cannon digital camera is controlled via DLL functions calls to the camera's driver. The camera is connected via a parallel port. I have also developed several OCXs for this project. Developed an application in Visual Basic 5.0, Access 97 and Crystal reports (using ODBC). The application is a very large information management system for CBI (City Building Inc. in San Francisco). The application contains 28 relational tables large number of queries forms and reports. Tavanir Co., Tehran, Iran 9/95-3/98 *Developed an application in Visual C++ 5.0 intended for network control managements. The application is able to get information such as voltage, active and reactive power from power plants and transmission stations and specifies transmission state using power flow method after a fault occurs on the transmission line. * Developed an application for voltage drop on the net. The application was developed in Visual Basic 5.0 using graphical OCXs. * Developed hardware for the high voltage network. *Developed an application in Visual C++ 4.0. The application checks the transmitting power on the lines and controls the system's steady state by alarm system. *Developed an application in Visual C++ 4.0 set the protection relays in substations to protect the network's reliability. Pishro Co., Tehran, Iran 11/94-6/95 Designed, developed and implemented electrical systems using computer aided software. The electrical systems were intended for both indoors (Buildings) and outdoors (Airports and Terminals). The systems were designed and based on the standard and regulation of electrical system. Pardis Tower Co, Tehran, Iran 1/93-11/94 Designed simulators for training purpose. *Developed an application in C++ for cycloconvertor simulator. The cycloconvertor is used in the starters of synchronous motors. *Developed application using C++ for control speed of DC motors. The application gets input voltage to the motor, speed of motor and rotor's current. It can control the motor speed based on requested speed. *Developed application using C++ for step motor's control speed. In order to change the angle of dish antenna, the application orders to step motor to change the rotor's situation. SKILLS: Software development Visual C++, Visual Basic, Visual InterDev, Visual J++, MFC, SDKs, COM, DCOM, ATL ActiveXs , C++, Fortran, Intel 8085 Assembler Access. Internet development Visual InterDev 6.0, Active Server Pages (ASP), SQL 7.0, COM, DCOM, Java script. 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VoiceGenie Technologies http://www.voicegenie.com/ads/home65.html VoiceGenie Technologies Developers Workshop http://www.voicegenie.com/developer_65.html **************************************************************************** * From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Thu Nov 15 00:19:51 2001 Received: by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fAF8Jpg29706 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from pasmtp.tele.dk (pasmtp.tele.dk [193.162.159.95]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAF8Jo829697 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from MT38Anders (unknown [62.243.245.105]) by pasmtp.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E12FB4E8 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:19:49 +0100 (CET) From: "Anders H. Andersen" To: Subject: latest vCard DTD Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:15:39 +0100 Message-ID: <4C358A990DA46D41A6887372872716C02010@mt33-imap2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Hi Where do I find the latest version of the XML vCard DTD? I have only been able to lacate the expired draft. regards --------------------------------- Anders H. Andersen System developer Mobilethink A/S Arosgaarden boulevarden 23, 5.sal DK - 8000 rhus C a.h.andersen@mobilethink.dk Direkte tlf: +45 8620 7810 Telefon: +45 8620 7800 Fax: +45 8620 7801 ------------------------------ From owner-ietf-vcard-xml Wed Aug 28 10:43:05 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g7SHh5x23152 for ietf-vcard-xml-bks; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-2.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.254]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SHh3223145 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mel-rta10.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.193) by mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3D5392B60078CEA4 for ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:43:00 +0200 Received: from localhost.localdomain (217.128.201.55) by mel-rta10.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3D49FFDD00A1982E for ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:43:00 +0200 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:47:21 +0100 Subject: Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Pantomime 1.0.5) From: Vincent Ricard To: ietf-vcard-xml@imc.org X-Mailer: GNUMail.app (Version 1.0.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-vcard-xml@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Hello, In the several drafts that i found, i've not seen the group feature like in the rfc2426. The groups aren't supported ? Regards, -- Vincent