Re: multiple <n> one <family>,<given>

["Eric Patrick" <epatrick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Would multiple family names within the DTD allow interest geneology
searches?  Obviously abuse potential here, but some interesting family tree,
six degrees type of tracking.  (I realize that it was probably not intended
for such purposes.)

Eric Patrick

----- Original Message -----
From: Martin Lee <martin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Vcard mailing list <ietf-vcard-xml@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 8:54 AM
Subject: multiple <n> one <family>,<given>


> Hi,
>
> I'm developing an XML DTD to describe people. An XML implementation
> of Vcard would appear to be a good place to start.
>
> The line
> <! ELEMENT n (family*, given*, other*, prefix*, suffix*)>
> strikes me as strange. This allows for someone to have more
> than one family name and given name. You could use the lang
> attribute to specify different names for different languages, but
> the DTD does not stop the defining of multiple family names and
> given names for a single language.
> The multiple use of the lang attribute for each element within the
> element n appears unnecessary.
>
> I suggest allowing multiple occurrences of <n> within <vCard>,
> with <n> taking the language attribute, so that different description
> of name + titles can be used for different languages + countries.
>
> So <!ENTITY % prop.man "(fn,n)"> becomes
> <!ENTITY % prop.man "(fn+,n+)">
>
> Declaration for fn is left unchanged, do we actually need multiple
> language
> <fn> information ? Or will one do, while keeping the lang attribute to
> show
> which language it was compiled for ?
>
> <!ELEMENT n (family*,given*,other*,prefix*,suffix*)> becomes
> <!ELEMENT n(family?,given?,other*,prefix*,suffix*)>
>
> You can have more than one 'other' name, more than one prefix and
> suffix, but only one family name. Double barrelled family names
> eg. Palmer-Tomkinson can be treated as one  eg.
> <family>Palmer-Tomkinson</family> instead of
> <family>Palmer</family><family>Tomkinson</family> which is
> allowed in the existing DTD.
> Elements family, given, other, prefix,suffix loose their lang attribute,
>
> inheriting the language of their parent n element.
>
> eg. an individual is known as in the US  as Dr. John Doe III Jr. PhD,
> in the UK as Dr. John Doe PhD, and in France where only medical
> doctors use the Dr title as John Doe PhD.
> His <n> tag would become:
>
> <n lang="en-US">
> <family>Doe</family>
> <given>John</given>
> <prefix>Dr.</prefix>
> <suffix>III</suffix>
> <suffix>PhD</suffix>
> </n>
> <n lang="en-GB">
> <family>Doe</family>
> <given>John</given>
> <prefix>Dr.</prefix>
> <suffix>PhD</suffix>
> </n>
> <n lang="fr">
> <family>Doe</family>
> <given>John</given>
> <suffix>PhD</suffix>
> </n>
>
> which is verbose but I believe more clear than:
> <n>
> <family>Doe</family>
> <given>John</given>
> <prefix lang="en-US>Dr.</prefix>
> <prefix lang="en-GB>Dr.</prefix>
> <suffix lang="en-US">III</suffix>
> <suffix>PhD</suffix>
> </n>
>
>
>
> What do people think?
> Are there still people on this list?
>
> Martin
>
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