RE: Name relationships in vCard 3.0

[Misha Wolf <Misha.Wolf@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

As Roland wrote, FN is supposed to hold the usual formatted name.
So, for example, N might contain multiple Given names, in some 
particular order, while FN contained just one of those, which might 
not be the first one.  Similarly, N could contain "Robert", while 
FN contained "Bob".

The bottom line is that they are not (necessarily) identical.  OK?

Misha


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Parrish [mailto:Jeff.Parrish@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: 09 September 2004 16:13
To: Misha Wolf; Germán M. Rivera; imc-vcard@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Name relationships in vCard 3.0


2 points:

1) Isn't the "Nickname" type intended for the "Dubya" case described below, or any other
   similar case where there is a deviation from the N type.
   I think the existance of this type gives further weight to the assumption that the
   FN type is intended to be derived from the N type.

2) A previous posting by Ronald Alden suggested that it may not be possible to map the structured
   type N to the FN type, and I would like to know if he could provide an example. It is clear
   that the FN type would need to be locale specific (Chinese vs English, for example), but I
   can't think of a case where no mapping exists.

Thank you for your prompt, cogent comments.

	~jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: Misha Wolf [mailto:Misha.Wolf@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 3:19 AM
To: Germán M. Rivera; Jeff Parrish; imc-vcard@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Name relationships in vCard 3.0


No, it is not "assumed that the name of the object (a person) is
unique".  This would clearly be a wrong assumption.  Has Michael 
Jackson made any hit singles recently?  He has not.  I'm referring 
to the originator of Jackson Structured Programming.  Whom did you 
think I meant?

FN and N should describe the same person, but I don't believe there 
is anything in vCard that forces a textual equivalence between them.
If I wanted to, I could put "Dubya" in my FN type and something 
completely different in the individual fields of my N type (eg "Bush" 
and "George" and "W").

Misha Wolf
Standards Manager
Product and Platform Architecture Group
Reuters


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-imc-vcard@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-imc-vcard@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Germán M. Rivera
Sent: 09 September 2004 09:01
To: 'Jeff Parrish'; imc-vcard@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Name relationships in vCard 3.0



Hi Jeff,

As you can see in the RFC, this is the FN type purpose:

"To specify the formatted text corresponding to the name of the object
the vCard represents"

and this is the N type purpose:

"To specify the components of the name of the object the vCard
represents"

Of course, it is assumed that the name of the object (a person) is
unique, so these two types should describe the same content.

Hope this helps,
Germán
 

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: owner-imc-vcard@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-imc-vcard@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
En
> nombre de Jeff Parrish
> Enviado el: jueves, 09 de septiembre de 2004 2:36
> Para: imc-vcard@xxxxxxx
> Asunto: Name relationships in vCard 3.0
> 
> 
> What is the relationship between the N: and FN: types. In particular,
> there is nothing I can find in the RFC that explicitly requires the
> contents of these types to match, and both fields are mandatory. Is
> there a reason to allow them to mismatch? If not, the contents of FN:
> need to be generated from the contents of N:, or else the contents of
> the two types may not match (see below)
> 
> 	FN:Mr. John Q. Public\, Esq.
> 	N:Putenesca;Fanny;Mae;Mrs
> 
> 
> 
> Jeff Parrish





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