Re: user-visible goals

["Hector Santos" <winserver.support@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Personally,

Doesn't this basically say that MAIL-NG is not concern about the contract,
business or relationship, as well for the method or form of communication
between a author/recepient, but more about the priverledge of the
"messenger" to use a MAIL-NG compliant system to facilitate the
communication between the two?

Maybe we should just get back to basics here.

Unless we are avocating a "Totally Integrated Hosting System" such as  a
BBS,  we need to remember the following additional requirements to be
considered:

    - Should offer easy support for "standalone passthru operations"
    - Should offer easy support for "standalone hosting operations"
    - Should offer easy support for "integrated hosting/passthru operations"

In other words:

There will be implementations that will want to just be concerned with
secured and trusted transport of data and necessarily interested on what the
user business is.

And by the same token, there will be implementations that are integrated one
way or another with a larger framework who may offer user options to define
such functionality  and its commercial oriented, it is quite possible that
"company email" is restricted only to trusted relationship and vendor
contacts.

The question is should this be an inherent functional requirement for
mail-ng.

I personally do not think so.  but it should be OFFERED in the form of an
extended interface feature.  With that said, I offer a new requirement
considerations:

    - Should offer easy support for "extended commands"  (i.e., like FTP
QUOTE/SITE commands)

which are 100% geared toward specific integrated implementations.

-- 
Hector Santos, Santronics Software, Inc.
http://www.santronics.com







----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ipeter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <mbaugher@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <mail-ng@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: user-visible goals


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> Mark's point is well taken - some users want to be able to refuse mail
from anyone they dont know. This of course doesn't negate that some users
(probably more I think) want to be able to receive mail from people they
dont know.
>
> Lets add a couple more
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> Users want to know that the person sending mail to them is who they
purport to be (let's not debate the difficulties, let's just accept that as
fact).
>
> and
>
> Users want to be able communicate effectively in their own language
without having to learn English.
>
>
> Ian Peter
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Baugher <mbaugher@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2004 6:06 am
> Subject: Re: user-visible goals
>
> >
> > I'm drinking from a firehouse on this list and don't know if
> > someone
> > already added:
> >
> > Users want to be able to refuse all mail from anyone they don't know.
> >
> > This is from personal experience and is probably more important
> > for the
> > very young and some very old email users.
> >
> > There has been one thread on "explicitly forming relationships"
> > that is
> > related to this particular goal.
> >
> > Mark
> > At 01:59 PM 2/2/2004, ipeter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >
> >
> > >And one more..
> > >
> > >Users want to be able receive mail from people they dont know.
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Paul Crowley <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Date: Monday, February 2, 2004 6:29 pm
> > >Subject: Re: user-visible goals
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> > > > > On Feb 1, 2004, at 8:31 PM, Keith Moore wrote:
> > > > > > Who said users were realistic?  We're talking about what users
> > > > want,> > not what they can get.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe you are. I'm looking to find what we can build, not what
> > > > we can
> > > > > promise.
> > > >
> > > > That's true, but it can be useful first to noodle on what mail
> > system> > users would ideally prefer, and only second to consider
> > what of those
> > > > goals we can deliver, and to what extent.
> > > >
> > > > I would say also
> > > >
> > > > -- Users want messages delivered ASAP.
> > > >
> > > > -- Users are particularly keen to have almost instantaneous
> > delivery> > of short messages where possible (for IM like
> > applications)> >
> > > > -- Users want to know which messages are in response to which
> > and what
> > > > discussions they form part of.
> > > > --
> > > >  __  Paul Crowley
> > > > \/ o\ sig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > /\__/ http://www.ciphergoth.org/
> > > >
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